Hardstyle is Hardstyle, Dubstep is Dubstep, right?

[DjPractice]

yeah I dont really think of Ryan and Stewe as anything like early hardstyle - its just hardstyle based on those things updated for 2012 (as music made this year should be)


and Icey, I have shitloads of friends who play the slower genres (ie trance/house/progressive) and they go through the labelled sections on websites like Juno, Beatport and hunt for, let's say, progressive house, but there are so many tracks in there that are nothing like progressive house and more like electro or trance. So while labelling music into genres/sub-genres is a good idea in theory, it doesnt always come off as it should. But I do agree that there should be some sort labelling system for hardstyle
1. Mainstream hardstyle (or happy hardcore as I see it, really, no one believes me but whatever, I call it that now)
2. Rawstyle (ie mainstream hardcore
3. Hardstyle (ie all the tracks that arent 1 or 2 and in line with what the structure of hardstyle was pre 2007 but made today)


But no one would go for that and Q wont because what they have now makes a lot of money and they wont change that

Besides, hunting for good music through the shit music is fun and important. Shows that you're not a just a person who will download the Juno top 10 chart and nothing else

[Holder]

I know this post is probably dead but i just want to comment and say that hardstyle is more than one thing, i mean i think you're talking about euphoric hardstyle, i think it's great! Rawstyle is good too, they're just two different subgenres, one is dark, the other one is not. I mean of course hardstyle evolved, all music genres do, and it didn't evolve to worse, it's just different, and plus the kicks are harder than they once were so why are you all complaining?
It's one thing to make something different, it's another thing to make it commercial, do you see hardstyle on television? Of course not! Because it's not commercial and the music wouldn't fit to be commercial, just as metal wouldn't fit to be commercial (i'm saying this because i like to refer hardstyle as the electronic version of metal).
Just because something is not dark it doesn't make it commercial, commercial is something with repetitive sounds and lyrics and softcore sounds to make it commercial. Hardstyle is different because there are more possibilities, i mean, would you like to be stuck in this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0s_SaYn_MA


of course you wouldn't, you can't even tell if this is (really) early hardstyle, hardtrance maybe? technologies have changed , and hardstyle is supposed to take our techonologies full advantage! That's what makes it different from other electronic styles.

Remember, if you want to be specific and say you're listening to 2001-2008 (about that time i don't know for sure) hardstyle, which is early hardstyle, a darker version of early hardstyle is rawstyle. Any hardstyle made from there on is on it's way of becoming euphoric hardstyle. And once again don't worry, hardstyle isn't fit to be commercial, they had to make a totally different genre to make melbourne shuffle (which you dance with hardstyle, of course) mainstream and they had to butcher the dance too, i was going to talk about jumpstyle but that's a totally different story. Don't worry, calm youselves down, as long as they do it about the music and not the money, it will not be mainstream. The music doesn't have to talk about drugs , sex, and bitches to be hard. Hardstyle is still a hard style . To make it short, hardstyle hasn't changed one bit, it's just different, and it's still hard WITH style.

[ljk32]

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

[ItsHeavyMOFO]

To make it short, hardstyle hasn't changed one bit, it's just different.

I fucking lost it.

[diesal11]

1. Mainstream hardstyle (or happy hardcore as I see it, really, no one believes me but whatever, I call it that now)

Happy hard and Mainstream Hardstyle are two very different things lol.

[Holder]

To make it short, hardstyle hasn't changed one bit, it's just different.

I fucking lost it.

Dude you know what i mean by that...

[DjPractice]

only difference is 20bpm diesal

[diesal11]

only difference is 20bpm diesal

Thats a very naieve statement coming from you
And yeah, sort of. Alot of UK/Happy hard tracks have gotten rid of the kick bass for a longer kick that resembles some of the tekky hardstyle tracks or even bigroom house.
Example:

Spoiler

But many still have the good old kick bass action (E.G. any recent S3rl track)
Generally, i differentiate UK and Happy hard between the presence of a Bass.
Saying that, alot of the Hardstyle from 07 onwards could be called Happy Hard (with a somewhat darker theme ofc) if you pitched it up 20 BPM.
To say that they are the same thing though is quite naive tbh as UK/Happy is quite a unique genre. And, as you love to point out, Hardstyle has it's own "Dong" which is unique to the genre So there's quite a few differences

But i can see where you are coming from, they also have their similarities. Which is fine IMO, as i love both genres

[Dutchboyuk]

im sorry but i cant say wildstylez track year of summer or noisecontrollers track gimme love is "hardstyle".

I could be terribly wrong but isn't Pavelow just Skrillexs' Hardstyle alias?

1. Mainstream hardstyle (or happy hardcore as I see it, really, no one believes me but whatever, I call it that now)

To make it short, hardstyle hasn't changed one bit, it's just different.

Doesn't Skrillex produce mainly complextrostep?

^ Have to assume that one is a joke right?

This thread... These comments... All of this makes me so fucking sad, I want to cry.

Seriously this is ridiculous. If it is between 147-152, has a 4x4 pitched distorted kickdrum. It's that simple, this hipster stuff is really obnoxious

Probably the most sensible thing that's ever been said on this entire forum

[Euphorizer]

Doesn't Skrillex produce mainly complextrostep?

^ Have to assume that one is a joke right?

This thread... These comments... All of this makes me so fucking sad, I want to cry.

Yes, that was a joke. When Skrillex burst onto the scene with hits like Scary Monsters And Nice Sprites lots of people called his dubstep 'complextrostep', simply because it was a mixup between what was back then a more simple dubstep and the more complex complextro. Cheez, good job on quoting half the thread and making fun of them when most of the replies were made over one year ago.