Or are u 2 girls gossiping about vinyl?
Little Hardstyle release facts and gossips topic
Re: Little release facts and gossips topic
talk about going off topic
Or are u 2 girls gossiping about vinyl?
Or are u 2 girls gossiping about vinyl?
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koldsa wrote:Heatzone wrote:
Just finished our new track "Heatzone - To Become".
Yes, maybe they are an exception and in other stores the sales are significantly decreasing. They can indeed not represent the whole Hardstyle market.nikkita wrote: Yes, but they are not the ones pressing vinyl... they order smaller amounts of vinyl -- nowhere near comparable to the initial run that is ordered anymore.
But I have no other 'first hand sources'.
I don't think so. Equivalent development only started a bit later. It is soo much easier, faster etc. not to print the books, just put them online. The customer can have all his books on one device immediatly with one click, how handy .. so much advantages.nikkita wrote:You're missing the point -- completely...
Hm sorry, I always see TTs, even if they are not used that often. Especially in the Hardstyle Sector over here, they are used more often. I agree, that the CDJ is pretty dominant all in all.nikkita wrote: Sorry that you haven't been to very many clubs then...? Over here, unless you're in after hours, or unless the DJ specifically requests vinyl turntables, you're shit out of luck. Our music stores don't even rent them out anymore for the simple reason: "nobody uses them anymore".
I don't know who has the capacity to make such a quality control. Yes, there is beatport, that simple doesn't allow new labels. And on the other platforms I don't recognize a quality control, tbh.nikkita wrote:Yes, anyone can start an MP3 label -- but not everybody can get mass distribution on platforms where there -is- quality control. Those "exceptions" are also increasing, and the more they do increase, the more it becomes a standard.
That's right. So from my point of view, it would be the best to continue mp3 releases for average customers and vinyl pressing for the quality standard/prestige and the DJs who want to keep the advantages of the vinyl.nikkita wrote:Again, vinyl has a strong "niche" market... if you're content moving fewer units, a larger investment with a slower and smaller return then by all means -- it's the market for you... however, if you want to get the attention of the international market and tap in to profit in any way possible, it's best not to completely ignore what's soon to be the majority of your market.
Let's just see in which way it keeps on going and how labels will react. Was my last post 'bout this topic in this thread, enough Off Topic.
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Late edit, want not to spam more posts around:
@ nikkita below my post: Could write some more stuff, but there is nothing wrong with your points, agreed. Keep up the great vocal work.
@ ceero below my post: Haha, thats right. But there are not much people left, that think so
Even I bought one CDJ next to my TTs for nice digital-only tracks.--------------------------------------------------------------
I wouln't have a problem with 40kg carried in an UDG Trolley.Qre8ive wrote: Are you actually a dj in clubs? Are you also carrying around 40kg of vinyls everytime?
Next to that if you're getting more professional and start producing how are you going to play you're own tracks or any promo tracks from others? Vinyl is fun for sure, but just not up to date when it comes to the needs of DJs.
- the promo thing is an argument
+ You have big, mostly individual Covers with vinyls. So you can associate the cover immediatly with the music behind it, which helps with the trackchoice. ---> DJ need
o You can only carry only a limited amount of vinyls. On the one hand it's not flexible enough. On the other hand it's good, because you have to think about the vinyl choice and fiddle with the music. But I guess it's not efficent enough for the stars.
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Pim wrote:koldsa wrote:Heatzone wrote:
Just finished our new track "Heatzone - To Become".
@Phan, you still keep assuming vinyl is the big player anymore... it's not. MP3/CDJ is becoming the big player in the market, whereas vinyl is becoming for "the average person" -- the DJ hobbyist, etc.
When you make something a career, you begin to care about things like efficiency. For someone who enjoys spinning for the sake of spinning, they stick to vinyl turntables and support it.... but people can only tolerate "the same old thing" every time -- you have to understand that as a career DJ/performer that people are sometimes paying big $$$$ to see your shows. When you have to do these shows sometimes several times a week, it gets tiring lugging around a huge case of vinyl, making sure you're not ending up with TTs that suck, and so on... To see guys like Ferry Corsten, Tiesto, and so on we pay sometimes almost $100 per ticket. That is a lot of money -- and the DJs realise this, and they also want to make money.... so they are going to go with what can give everybody the best bang for their buck. Quite simply, CDJs/laptops/MP3 gives you much, much, much more freedom to do this than vinyl does.
As for books -- I've always advocated for digital releases of books, especially for university textbooks where they change 2 letters and suddenly you have to pay another $300 and kill a few more trees. However, I also speak from my own point of view -- as someone who "simply enjoys reading books", I prefer paper because the light from my LCD screen hurts my eyes, and I'm a person who prefers to read for several hours. This is one of the major set-backs that has also been addressed in the ebook market with digital readers that give the same feeling as books, and like CDJ, eventually improved enough that they will consume most of the market. This is why you missed my point, because you backed it up when you were trying to refute it.
Anyway, enough of this topic... if you still disagree, well have at it... but I've made my point pretty clear.
@icey, yeah it really sucked because it was some problem with the URL of the domain... it was supposed to be sorted yesterday, but apparently the domain company is taking its sweet time. :S
MP3/CDJ is becoming the big player in the market, whereas vinyl is becoming for "the average person" -- the DJ hobbyist, etc. When you make something a career, you begin to care about things like efficiency. For someone who enjoys spinning for the sake of spinning, they stick to vinyl turntables and support it.... but people can only tolerate "the same old thing" every time -- you have to understand that as a career DJ/performer that people are sometimes paying big $$$$ to see your shows. When you have to do these shows sometimes several times a week, it gets tiring lugging around a huge case of vinyl, making sure you're not ending up with TTs that suck, and so on... To see guys like Ferry Corsten, Tiesto, and so on we pay sometimes almost $100 per ticket. That is a lot of money -- and the DJs realise this, and they also want to make money.... so they are going to go with what can give everybody the best bang for their buck. Quite simply, CDJs/laptops/MP3 gives you much, much, much more freedom to do this than vinyl does.
As for books -- I've always advocated for digital releases of books, especially for university textbooks where they change 2 letters and suddenly you have to pay another $300 and kill a few more trees. However, I also speak from my own point of view -- as someone who "simply enjoys reading books", I prefer paper because the light from my LCD screen hurts my eyes, and I'm a person who prefers to read for several hours. This is one of the major set-backs that has also been addressed in the ebook market with digital readers that give the same feeling as books, and like CDJ, eventually improved enough that they will consume most of the market. This is why you missed my point, because you backed it up when you were trying to refute it.
Anyway, enough of this topic... if you still disagree, well have at it... but I've made my point pretty clear.
@icey, yeah it really sucked because it was some problem with the URL of the domain... it was supposed to be sorted yesterday, but apparently the domain company is taking its sweet time. :S
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Screw cds and cdjs. Seriously, what kind of pleasure it is to play from a cd player in compare with real turntable ? Barely any, its hard to believe for me that anyone who ever tried to play from vinyls would prefer/enjoy playing cds more. Vinyls are there for like 80 years and they will last for even more.They actually have some value what cant be said about some burned cds. When you have a vinyl, you actully REALLY own the track, not just some 1111s and 0000s file which u can download from anywhere whenever you want. And thats the way how vinyls PWNS cds and digital anytime, remember, real djs play vinyls 
Are you actually a dj in clubs? Are you also carrying around 40kg of vinyls everytime?ceero wrote:Screw cds and cdjs. Seriously, what kind of pleasure it is to play from a cd player in compare with real turntable ? Barely any, its hard to believe for me that anyone who ever tried to play from vinyls would prefer/enjoy playing cds more. Vinyls are there for like 80 years and they will last for even more.They actually have some value what cant be said about some burned cds. When you have a vinyl, you actully REALLY own the track, not just some 1111s and 0000s file which u can download from anywhere whenever you want. And thats the way how vinyls PWNS cds and digital anytime, remember, real djs play vinyls
Next to that if you're getting more professional and start producing how are you going to play you're own tracks or any promo tracks from others? Vinyl is fun for sure, but just not up to date when it comes to the needs of DJs.
This.Qre8ive wrote:Are you actually a dj in clubs? Are you also carrying around 40kg of vinyls everytime?ceero wrote:Screw cds and cdjs. Seriously, what kind of pleasure it is to play from a cd player in compare with real turntable ? Barely any, its hard to believe for me that anyone who ever tried to play from vinyls would prefer/enjoy playing cds more. Vinyls are there for like 80 years and they will last for even more.They actually have some value what cant be said about some burned cds. When you have a vinyl, you actully REALLY own the track, not just some 1111s and 0000s file which u can download from anywhere whenever you want. And thats the way how vinyls PWNS cds and digital anytime, remember, real djs play vinyls
Next to that if you're getting more professional and start producing how are you going to play you're own tracks or any promo tracks from others? Vinyl is fun for sure, but just not up to date when it comes to the needs of DJs.
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If you want to talk cd/mp3 vs vinyl open up a new thread.
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