in general it is for sure.Phantomias wrote:According to my vinyl dealer, this is not true.Hansi wrote: That still doesn't change the fact that there's less and less that buys them.
Little Hardstyle release facts and gossips topic
Re: Little release facts and gossips topic
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Source? Type in google: vinyl sales. You will mostly find articels, which are about increasing sales or at least stable sales in the last few years.
.. ex Phantomias
You need to stay young and open-minded, because you might age but music itself will surely never grow a gray hair.
You need to stay young and open-minded, because you might age but music itself will surely never grow a gray hair.
In hardstyle it gets less and less. Next to that hardstyle gets more known worldwide and it's way easier for people in other countries to buy digital then shipping vinyls all the time. Besides that digital releases can be released way faster.Phantomias wrote:According to my vinyl dealer, this is not true.Hansi wrote: That still doesn't change the fact that there's less and less that buys them.
But I freaking hate playing with MP3s. It's relatively easier as well. I also hate buying MP3s, doesn't give me the same special feeling I get when my LPs arriveQre8ive wrote:In hardstyle it gets less and less. Next to that hardstyle gets more known worldwide and it's way easier for people in other countries to buy digital then shipping vinyls all the time. Besides that digital releases can be released way faster.Phantomias wrote:According to my vinyl dealer, this is not true.Hansi wrote: That still doesn't change the fact that there's less and less that buys them.
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I believe you, since you are a kind of insider. But i asked my vinyl seller, who approximately sells 30% Hardstyle next to Techno, House, Black, Dance and Trance. He said, it's stable. And in other genres some big labels come back with vinyl releases after going digital one year before.Qre8ive wrote:In hardstyle it gets less and less.
Yeah, there are some advantages for mp3s. But there are also some for Vinyl. And I agree, that there will be more Hardstyle sales in general because Hardstyle grows. But that doesn't implicitly mean, that vinyl sales are decreasing. They could stay stable, while the mp3 sales/piracy are growing.Qre8ive wrote:Next to that hardstyle gets more known worldwide and it's way easier for people in other countries to buy digital then shipping vinyls all the time. Besides that digital releases can be released way faster.
I don't think that mp3 releases are so much faster. A Producer wants to spin his track exclusive for some time before it comes to a release. So there will always stay a bigger interval between first play--->release.
.. ex Phantomias
You need to stay young and open-minded, because you might age but music itself will surely never grow a gray hair.
You need to stay young and open-minded, because you might age but music itself will surely never grow a gray hair.
I'm curious as to who your vinyl dealer is -- because I know owners of the some of largest vinyl distribution for hard music and they've all said the same, that hardly anyone is buying vinyl. Actually, they've reduced the amount they order because they end up being unable to completely move any of them.Phantomias wrote:According to my vinyl dealer, this is not true.Hansi wrote: That still doesn't change the fact that there's less and less that buys them.
As for your other point -- vinyl sales are growing for the novelty, and in a very small niche market that is actually more present in rock music than it is in electronic music in which, as I pointed out, they are actually decreasing significantly... and even still, in general, vinyl sales still account for less than 1% of overall album sales. It's nothing to write home about, nor is it any reason for a business to continuously sink money in to a dying product -- especially when many clubs in potentially large markets no longer carry vinyl turntables.
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It is cuepoint in Hamburg, Germany. I usually order online but one time I visited the boss in the store and had a nice talk.nikkita wrote: I'm curious as to who your vinyl dealer is -- because I know owners of the some of largest vinyl distribution for hard music and they've all said the same, that hardly anyone is buying vinyl. Actually, they've reduced the amount they order because they end up being unable to completely move any of them.
Do you think books will replaced by E-Books completely in the next 40 years?nikkita wrote: As for your other point -- vinyl sales are growing for the novelty, and in a very small niche market that is actually more present in rock music than it is in electronic music in which, as I pointed out, they are actually decreasing significantly... and even still, in general, vinyl sales still account for less than 1% of overall album sales. It's nothing to write home about, nor is it any reason for a business to continuously sink money in to a dying product -- especially when many clubs in potentially large markets no longer carry vinyl turntables.
I agree, that it is a niche market in general. But we have near to zero CD sales in hardstyle. So only Vinyl or mp3. Look at the Hardstyle mp3 releases, that come out every week (check Juno for example). 70% is utter crap because anyone can start a mp3 label. If you want to release a vinyl, you have to think twice whether the tracks have enough quality. I don't think that big labels want to be on that "cheap mp3-only level" (yes, there are exceptions) because of the prestige and quality standard.
btw I've never seen a club without turntables.
What is with the brand new label knockout beats? I don't think that Gia ruins himself by pressing vinyls. He must had calculated everything. Would be interesting to ask him: Why vinyl?
Edit: Maybe someone can swap the whole debate in a new thread because it doesn't belong here.
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.. ex Phantomias
You need to stay young and open-minded, because you might age but music itself will surely never grow a gray hair.
You need to stay young and open-minded, because you might age but music itself will surely never grow a gray hair.
Yes, but they are not the ones pressing vinyl... they order smaller amounts of vinyl -- nowhere near comparable to the initial run that is ordered anymore.Phantomias wrote:It is cuepoint in Hamburg, Germany. I usually order online but one time I visited the boss in the store and had a nice talk.nikkita wrote: I'm curious as to who your vinyl dealer is -- because I know owners of the some of largest vinyl distribution for hard music and they've all said the same, that hardly anyone is buying vinyl. Actually, they've reduced the amount they order because they end up being unable to completely move any of them.
You're missing the point -- completely...Do you think books will replaced by E-Books completely in the next 40 years?nikkita wrote: As for your other point -- vinyl sales are growing for the novelty, and in a very small niche market that is actually more present in rock music than it is in electronic music in which, as I pointed out, they are actually decreasing significantly... and even still, in general, vinyl sales still account for less than 1% of overall album sales. It's nothing to write home about, nor is it any reason for a business to continuously sink money in to a dying product -- especially when many clubs in potentially large markets no longer carry vinyl turntables.
Sorry that you haven't been to very many clubs then...? Over here, unless you're in after hours, or unless the DJ specifically requests vinyl turntables, you're shit out of luck. Our music stores don't even rent them out anymore for the simple reason: "nobody uses them anymore".I agree, that it is a niche market in general. But we have near to zero CD sales in hardstyle. So only Vinyl or mp3. Look at the Hardstyle mp3 releases, that come out every week (check Juno for example). 70% is utter crap because anyone can start a mp3 label. If you want to release a vinyl, you have to think twice whether the tracks enough quality. I don't think that big labels want to be on that "cheap mp3-only level" (yes, there are exceptions) because of the prestige and quality standard.
btw I've never seen a club without turntables.
Yes, anyone can start an MP3 label -- but not everybody can get mass distribution on platforms where there -is- quality control. Those "exceptions" are also increasing, and the more they do increase, the more it becomes a standard.
You have "near to zero" CD sales in hardstyle because there are few to zero releases on CD. Hmmm. Who would've thought?
No idea, but I wish him the best of luck with that indeed.What is with the brand new label knockout beats? I don't think that Gia ruins himself by pressing vinyls. He must had calculated everything. Would be interesting to ask him: Why vinyl?
Again, vinyl has a strong "niche" market... if you're content moving fewer units, a larger investment with a slower and smaller return then by all means -- it's the market for you... however, if you want to get the attention of the international market and tap in to profit in any way possible, it's best not to completely ignore what's soon to be the majority of your market.
And FYI, I love vinyl too -- don't get me wrong, it's great to collect.... however, in terms of #s, it just doesn't do it anymore -- you can argue with opinions all you'd like, but in the end the numbers and trends speak for themselves... vinyl is quickly becoming a niche/collectors/hobby market.
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