Coronavirus (COVID-19) Topic

[Emre]

The fact you don't get that lockdowns are not to stop a virus, but to prevent hospitilizations after two years says enough imo.

I do, but apparently it's not working well enough, or do you want to stay in this shit for the next 50 years?

Oh btw, that same government completely fucked up by saving on healthcare for ages. Then don't blame the people now for not following all of their dumb rules.

Lockdowns dont help against hospitilizations?? Thats new to me. Again, give me a source!!

I didn't say that. It's not working well enough. Do you realise we're not living in a normal, free society, a society like how a society should be right now? If they found something that worked well enough, we'd be out of this shit. Till then, the measures/lockdowns don't work well enough.

[Xurreal]

Oh btw, that same government completely fucked up by saving on healthcare for ages. Then don't blame the people now for not following all of their dumb rules.

The fact that the Macron government in France closed down a lot of beds in hospitals through their mandate really pisses me off. Death to capitalism and death to right edged politics

Actually, there may even be a reason for this. You don't need health care units if you don't have enough personnel that is able to handle it.
Not having the personnel, although the risk is known, might've been the fault of his predecessors.

If you can send me a source, preferably in English, I could check for validity.

edit: just saw it's affecting normal hospital beds. Nonetheless, seems very unreasonable at first glance. Might dig into it.

[DjVero]

I do, but apparently it's not working well enough, or do you want to stay in this shit for the next 50 years?

Oh btw, that same government completely fucked up by saving on healthcare for ages. Then don't blame the people now for not following all of their dumb rules.

Lockdowns dont help against hospitilizations?? Thats new to me. Again, give me a source!!

I didn't say that. It's not working well enough. Do you realise we're not living in a normal, free society, a society like how a society should be right now? If they found something that worked well enough, we'd be out of this shit. Till then, the measures/lockdowns don't work well enough.

Yeah, nice circlejerk

Having lockdowns is better than nothing, period. I'd rather live a free and happy life either, who doesn't? That it affects people massively, that is true, but (most) people are not willingless creatures. Every single person should be held responsible for their own actions, not the government. That'd be easy, innit? Blaming everyone else for your own failures when there's only yourself to blame? "Yeah, sorry but your father has been shot dead by a random stranger, don't blame him though, blame the government because he couldn't go to a shooting range anymore..." See how retarded that is...

[Emre]

Lockdowns dont help against hospitilizations?? Thats new to me. Again, give me a source!!

I didn't say that. It's not working well enough. Do you realise we're not living in a normal, free society, a society like how a society should be right now? If they found something that worked well enough, we'd be out of this shit. Till then, the measures/lockdowns don't work well enough.

Yeah, nice circlejerk

Having lockdowns is better than nothing, period. That it affects people massively, that is true, but (most) people are not willingless creatures. Every single person should be held responsible for their own actions, not the government. That'd be easy, innit? Blaming everyone else for your own failures when there's only yourself to blame? "Yeah, sorry but your father has been shot dead by a random stranger, don't blame him though, blame the government because he couldn't go to a shooting range anymore..." See how retarded that is...

You're trying to make a point with your comparison at the end, but honestly, that comparison actually makes sense (not in this one, but you get what I mean).

For example, in countries where mental health care is underdeveloped I would say the people who flip out and kill/hurt others is partly the fault of their governments for not giving enough priority to maintaining proper mental health.

Now in the corona example.. yes, everyone is responsible for their own actions, but brains are different and different people will cope differently. Rules that are no problem for you can be a huge problem for others. In my close circle, a lot of people are living way less healthy since corona (more food, less exercise, more alcohol, more drugs etc). And that's just my own circle.

Take dopamine from people and they will seek dopamine in other ways. So yes, partly govt's fault for ignoring the fact that lockdowns work adversely for mental & physical health. They're only focusing on the virus and not on all the damage lockdowns do.

[DjVero]

I didn't say that. It's not working well enough. Do you realise we're not living in a normal, free society, a society like how a society should be right now? If they found something that worked well enough, we'd be out of this shit. Till then, the measures/lockdowns don't work well enough.

Yeah, nice circlejerk

Having lockdowns is better than nothing, period. That it affects people massively, that is true, but (most) people are not willingless creatures. Every single person should be held responsible for their own actions, not the government. That'd be easy, innit? Blaming everyone else for your own failures when there's only yourself to blame? "Yeah, sorry but your father has been shot dead by a random stranger, don't blame him though, blame the government because he couldn't go to a shooting range anymore..." See how retarded that is...

You're trying to make a point with your comparison at the end, but honestly, that comparison actually makes sense (not in this one, but you get what I mean).

For example, in countries where mental health care is underdeveloped I would say the people who flip out and kill/hurt others is partly the fault of their governments for not giving enough priority to maintaining proper mental health.

Now in the corona example.. yes, everyone is responsible for their own actions, but brains are different and different people will cope differently. Rules that are no problem for you can be a huge problem for others. In my close circle, a lot of people are living way less healthy since corona (more food, less exercise, more alcohol, more drugs etc). And that's just my own circle.

Take dopamine from people and they will seek dopamine in other ways. So yes, partly govt's fault for not realizing that lockdowns work adversely for mental & physical health. They're only focusing on the virus and not on all the damage lockdowns do.

You sound angry, which is totally understandable, but angry people tend to blame others instead of looking at themselves. There are thousands of other things to do, yet today's society don't know how to anymore. And instead of reinventing ourselves we blame the government for taking away our recreation or hospital beds.

Don't get me wrong, I myself am finding it very hard too, but at least I try different things and make the most out of it. Something more people should do instead of lashing around.

[Amperial]

The fact you don't get that lockdowns are not to stop a virus, but to prevent hospitilizations after two years says enough imo.

I do, but apparently it's not working well enough, or do you want to stay in this shit for the next 50 years?

Oh btw, that same government completely fucked up by saving on healthcare for ages. Then don't blame the people now for not following all of their dumb rules.

Lockdowns dont help against hospitilizations?? Thats new to me. Again, give me a source!!

You don't even need a source with common sense as you don't have huge infections numbers in stores.

Also you can reduce hospitalizations with alternative therapies like high intravenous dosages of vitamin c (China).

WEF is doing well with their great reset agenda. Touche for informing us though.

Some random facts: Those therapies ive mentioned above are getting suppressed (FBI did a razzia in one hospital that tried to heal people that way), Pfizer wants to release their study results after 75 to 100 years, omikron is like non existent in africa, regular death rates "strangely" increased everywhere (corona is not the reason), people getting various diseases, in circulation study shows up to 25% heart issues due to vaccinations (a lot of athletes and so on with heart issues), Spike proteins due to vaccinations do cause auto immune reactions, nanolipid ingredients in vaccinations are toxic, they do vaccinate -everyone- without valid reasons (vaccinating kids?), booster vaccinations are already possible after like 3-4 weeks, no anti body tests, killing EUs health systems systematically, and i could continue with more.

Our economic system pretty much collapsed if you guys didn't notice until now. Will be a bigger scenario than 2008 and the reason isn't the pandemic. We are on the way to a new digital world order. The govenments are going the way USA/America is forcing them to go as China/Russia will surpass USA around 2025.

I've took a lot of time to research every kind of information, 'conspiracy theorys' and so on. I am pretty much shocked regarding the whole situation and whats about to come. On the other hand if we do continue like that for the next years the whole Planet will go down the drain too.

[Amperial]

Regarding mental health.

People should live their life without being dependent on the society. There is a lot of stuff to do. Using the time to focus on positive psychology f.e.

People were already dependent on external factors - the pandemic just boosted it up.

Mental health comes from developing yourself from the inside out. Coaches and so on can help you but in the end you've to go the path yourself.

You can blame the whole society, politics and so on. Or you do change your mindset. Use the time to become a stronger version of yourself.

Dopamin detox (atleast 1 week)
Eating healthy
Breathing exercises (WIM Hof, Box Breathing,..)
Meditation
Supplements (high doses of D3 f.e.)
Blinkist
Reading Books
Audible
- f.e. Happiness Advantage, Atomic Habbits
Journaling.
Going outside.
No social media / bad news. (Did uninstall instagram f.e.)
Friends left you do to stupid reasons? Find true people.
Morning routines. Evening routines.

List goes on.

[Reverse Ghost]

All these fun little things doesn't change the fact that humans are social creatures and even the most "balanced" individual will start to slip a but by spending two years being told by a force they're supposed to trust "Stay home don't see your friends or family just stay home and read a book don't go anywhere uwu"
But sure let's blame the people for being angry instead of the wishy washy overlords who can't come to terms with the FACT that a virus like this is impossible to completely eliminate. Covid is going to become a regular illness like the flu (Spanish flu) and common cold. I guess some people are more willing to bend over and obey everything they're told though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Emre]

All these fun little things doesn't change the fact that humans are social creatures and even the most "balanced" individual will start to slip a but by spending two years being told by a force they're supposed to trust "Stay home don't see your friends or family just stay home and read a book don't go anywhere uwu"
But sure let's blame the people for being angry instead of the wishy washy overlords who can't come to terms with the FACT that a virus like this is impossible to completely eliminate. Covid is going to become a regular illness like the flu (Spanish flu) and common cold. I guess some people are more willing to bend over and obey everything they're told though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Word.

[Reverse Ghost]

After this winter lockdown we need to come to terms that the virus will continue mutating into more easily transmissible and less deadly variants, just like viruses past. We already are entering that with Omicron. The lockdowns for 2020 and half of 2021 made sense for me imo, but we're now seeing the latter end of this virus lifecycle, in the context of how deadly it can be. Influenza is still a shitty thing to get and can kill you just as easy as Covid, but smart people already take measures against that (staying home when sick).