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I feel you bro, not a very comfy situation, i guess many guys have been there and done that at some point, me included and not just once. Don't beat yourself up and dont think there is something wrong with you, because there really isnt. Let me tell you what i think happend and how i see it from what you are describing and what you did wrong. It may sound a bit harsh but don't read it that i'm trying to diss you, but certain things that you obviously dont see here have to be said if you want to improve yourself. Unfortunately you are misreading the whole situation and overthinking has led you to completely wrong conclusions.

So, let's start from the very beginning.
You started chatting up a girl through the internet and you hit it off, had a good talk, possibly a spark. Which is a great starting point. Then, from what it looks like to me, you just kept talking and talking online, without actually moving it anywhere and just passively waiting for 'something' to happen, 'somehow', while being stuck in the same internet chatting cycle. Because you did not have the balls to move it further, ask her out and get physical and was afraid of screwing up what you already had at that point (while, in reality you had nothing going on, sorry to tell you that). I think it's fair to assume she innitially liked you and was imagining you as a possible lover (well she said it herself later). You are saying 'Once she suggested if we could talk this much and all seems to be good then we should meet.' at this point, i'm pretty certain that she was expecting you to make a move and ask her out, which you didn't. She was getting tired of waiting for you to man up, but still curious if there could be something between you, so she was willing to help you out there a little bit by throwing you a little stick and actually inviting YOU out. You said that you panicked a bit, started overthinking everything, doubting yourself and trust me, women can smell this kind of anxiety from miles even from text so i would say that was the final nail in the coffin for her. My guess would be that is also why she stood you up when you finally grew a pair and agreed to meet, which unfortunatelly was too late. At this point you started to feel that you are losing her and started to act more and more desperate, you probably confessed your feeling to her (never ever ever do that without getting physical with a girl prior to that and never ever ever ever ever do that through online chat. it is creepy as fuck). In a situation when you havent met before and you did this, she probably assumed (probably correctly) that you dont meet any girls and that you are desperate as hell and continued talking to you out of sheer sympathy. Which i think is also why she later suggested you would stop talking.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeverything else you are mentioning later is really irrelevant, trust me.
Her being older - bullshit. My roommate is 30 and she is dating a 19 years old guy and they are hitting it off perfectly. 5 years of age truly do not matter if there is some attraction. Her thinking about starting a family? With a guy she never met face to face? Please. At this point, she was just trying not to hurt you and started giving you all these 'rational' arguments why it wouldn't work out between you, while the only reason here was that she simply lost the initial interest for you, because you never grew a pair of balls and asked her out.
It's not even mental health issues, trust me this shit is something that every guy is going through at certain point in his life. At this point you are trying to blame it on mental health, on personality differences, on the situation that was not too convinient, while you are only trying to run away from something that seems kinda obvious to me from your post, you simply lack confidence. And honestly the only solution here is to work on your confidence and self image. Its a hard work, but noone else can do this for you.

Let me get a little deeper here.
If you are trying to meet a girl on the internet, online chatting can only get you to a certain point. You can project some things about yourself, you can see what kind of person she is (whether she is intelligent, what she likes etc) and it can be a great starting point. What you need to do, is to spark an attraction in her. That tickly thing in the belly that makes you think about the other person all the time and make you want to rip their clothes off when you meet. The tricky thing is that attraction works in a completely different way for girls than it does for us. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO GET A GIRL ATRACTED TO YOU THROUGH THE INTERNET, write that down with bold letters somewhere. To get a girl attracted, you need to interact face to face and without getting her attracted to you, nothing is going to happen, ever. Attraction is ignited by eye contact, body language, touch, the way you talk, the way you smell etc, not through text on the screen of a phone, no matter how funny or interesting or relatable it might be. If you never meet, you wont get her attracted, and nothing will happen, there is absolutely no way around that and girls are very well aware of that. Also, to get to this point, you have a certain time to do this. From the point when you start talking online, you get several weeks, one month at the top to make a move and if you won't, she will either assume you simply talk to her because you see her as a friend and you like talking to her, or figure out that you don't have the balls to make a move and loses all the initial interest (your case). Either way, nothing is never ever going to happen from this point. Why? Because women want to date a man, a masculine person with two balls and a straight back. If you are hesitating for weeks and acting like a pussy (and again, girls can and will detect this quickly), they will realize you are not confident with your decisions, you are scared to take a risk and dating you would most likely be super unexciting and that she would be the one wearing pants in the relationship. By hesitating, being passive and not moving it forward, you gave her all the power over yourself in the situation and that is something you never want to do. You must be the man, you must be the one leading the interaction forwards.

Good news - it can be fixed. Might not be easy, might not be quick, but it works perfectly. You need to get confident. Easier said than done, i know... Well, there are tons of great books on how to work on your confidence out there and this post is getting super fucking long anyway, so i dont want to go into that :+ you might wanna start here (that website is full of pure golden advice btw) https://www.girlschase.com/content/how- ... depression
But... Next time you start talking to a girl online and hit it off, promise to yourself - if everything goes well, you will just ask her out withing 2-3 weeks of having good chats. If you won't, this will happen again, i guarantee you that. She won't bite you, she won't laugh at you, stock market wont collapse, world wont start spinning the other way and there is a good chance she will gladly agree because she was expecting it (it could have been this case we are talking about).
And this girl, well, stop thinking about her and stop talking to her as quick as its possible, get rid of her from your social media, delete her number. Unless you want to get tangled in your obsession and overthinking even deeper.
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Post by battlejellyfish »

First of all, thank you for the reaction, but I'm going to tell you some other details in PM cause I don't want to spoil here everything.

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I don't literally feel sad but more like disappointed in myself and that makes me a little sad.
I know it's never too late to continue but I don't know what to do with myself at this moment.
I just think it's a good idea for me to tell you my whole story so that you can understand my current situation better.

Okay so, when I was a young lad I was already playing with magix music maker (I was very young back then) but I fell in love with putting sounds together and I had the slightest idea that these sounds were made by another person especially for this program.
So I started to look upon the internet to search for a more advanced program (DAW) to create music with and I stumbled upon Fruity Loops.
I got myself fruity loops and opened it and I was like. Where are the samples? Where are the instruments? After a while I opened up a synthesizer or something and I thought NOPE.

In the mean time my parents were in a heavy divorce, or better said, on the brink of a divorce with swearing and shit and they put me in the middle.
I had to choose between my own father and mother for Christ sake!
While my parents were busy fighting about me and the materials they had, I was just doing my own thing trying to avoid that stupid situation of a divorce.

Eventually I had to make a choice and I wanted to go with my father.
To start over I thought.
Finally a new beginning with new friends and a new place to explore.
It was all going so well.
I was finally doing a good job in school and getting actually good results on tests etc.
Then through school I met this guy who knew a guy that was busy creating hardstyle in fruity loops.
And that was the spark that started everything.
I went to this guy and I asked how he was working with fl studio and he said that it was pretty easy.
So I came home and immediately downloaded fl again and I started to play with fl studio.

But then one day while I was playing with fruit loops my stepmother shouted my name with mach 20 because I had to come downstairs for something important, I could hear in her voice that something was terribly wrong.

When I came downstairs she told me to wait for my father because he was on the toilet.
When he finished he came in the living room and he hugged my tight and started crying.

He told me he was very ill.
He told me that he had cancer for the third time. (Yes while I was young I had witnessed my father being in the hospital for his cancer. He also got cancer one time before I was even born)
He started explaining what this could mean and he said that he has prostate cancer.

Me as a very bright young individual, I was optimistic and I answered: ''You can beat this, you're strong and you've already beaten this twice. You can beat this, right dad?''
Weeks were going by and my father started to feel more ill. I will spare you the details.
They were doing tests and then I got the call. That one call that broke me personally.

My own dad told me that he was going to die.
That the cancer already spread from his prostate to his bladder and from his bladder to his bones.

Believe me when I say that my father was a muscular guy. Working in construction almost his whole life made him swole and muscled af.
But the cancer was eating him slowly and he had no muscle left.
His skin was hanging and he was looking pale.
It was the worst thing to see in my entire life.
I remember sitting in the bus towards the hospital everyday to visit him.
Sometimes I was crying.
I'm even tearing up right now.

No one should lose a parent like that.
NO ONE!

When they brought him home he was in a lot of pain and couldn't barely move.
I never told my father that I loved him.
But from the moment that I knew he was going to die, I told him every day that I loved him and he said that as well.
He said: Please go to school. Please, take care of yourself. Don't ever do drugs or that bullshit.
He went back to the hospital because he couldn't bare the pain.

On a Thursday morning around 8 o'clock when I was ready to go to school the hospital called.
My father passed away. 4 days before my birthday.

I was broken.
School went bad and I had severe anger issues.
My stepmother couldn't handle me longer and said I had to go back to my mother.
But that was the beginning.
I slipped into a depression with anxiety and other severe issues.
Finished another school and then I started working

I started to pick up the music again since that was my only way to forget everything.
I could just create and not think about anything.
In 2013 I decided to get more gear and stuff and take music seriously.

I love the process and progress I was making and I'm still making progress
It took years for me to get where I am right now.

And now after almost 9 years since his passing I still create music.
I have signed myself up for music production college but got rejected.
I made a few tracks here and there and still want to work with music for people or for myself.
I love the techniques and making kicks and synths etc.
But lately I don't have the motivation to finish tracks.
And that's the problem I'm facing right now.

Right now I feel great physically and mentally.
I'm going to the gym for the last 2 years and I've become a muscular myself.
But my motivation to finish a track is there but I just can't do it.
I can create kicks and synths which still is a lot of fun but finishing a track and polishing that is such a pain in the ass.
I already had a big break where I didn't create or touch my desk for months.
It all started with passion.
But now what I want is just to work and earn bread. Don't get me wrong, money isn't my number one reason to create music.
I don't have to be famous like headhunterz or noisecontrollers, which I wanted to be of course when I was young.
Now I just want to work with people and help them and guide them but I also want my own little house and car as well you understand?

I'm worried about my future. I desperately want to work in the music industry but can't seem to find a gap nor a reaching hand to fulfill my dreams.

This is my latest work for anyone interested.
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I know the mixdown is terrible :+

EDIT: Feel free to PM me for any questions :)
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Post by the_wraith »

Digital Shifter wrote: But lately I don't have the motivation to finish tracks.
Not sure if this thread is available for replying or not so I'll keep it short ;)

Motivation is mostly irrelevant. Passion is mostly irrelevant. Willpower is what you need. I had such a streak myself where I didnt finish anything and I went thru all those stupid motivation lists and producer tricks and there was one single item that worked wonders: Finish everything. You think its shit? Finish it. You dislike it? Finish it. You have no clue what to do with it? Finish it. Because this way you learn masses of skills you would never learn if you would just finish the few things that come with the inspirational flow.
Of course - and I hope it aint offensive saying this - its also possible that theres a psychological thing. You said you started making music to forget, now you seem to have made your peace and there seems less motivation to make music. Maybe theres a link there, too.

Also - if I may say so - whats up with all you kids today with thinkin youre old when youre in your early 20s lol. Whatcha ppl gonna do if you hit it off as a star and you become 30 or 40 - you all turn secretaries or go Avicii on the world ?_? I'm 38 and I wanna start producing professionally in the next years. Fuck age, dude. You wanna do something, do it. You cant, figure out why, work on it and then do it.
All the best to you!

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Post by Digital Shifter »

Thanks for your comment. But don't forget that I started to create music out of curiosity. ;)
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Digital Shifter wrote:I'm worried about my future. I desperately want to work in the music industry but can't seem to find a gap nor a reaching hand to fulfill my dreams.
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Don't worry about all that, you're only 24 man. All you need to do is think more simply, just do what you want to do.
There's right and wrong, do right things. Be honest and sincere with yourself and take your time. When I was 24/25 I was worried as well for a while. I thought I was running out of time or something, it's an illusion. You can't try to "make it" because that makes you fail, don't even try just have fun. But you have to think about making money another way. Making a living from a hobby can be something to aspire to of course, but nobody can know if it will happen, not even yourself.
Purpose, thou art the compass.

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Post by Shadder »

My tinnitus is super strong these days and I consider cancelling going to defqon... even if it means that I will not get refund for travel & ticket...

Really not sure what to do...

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Slowly starting to feel so fucking overburdened. A million things on my mind, only 24 hours in a day. How the fuck am I supposed to fix everything with such limited time.
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Valadia wrote:Slowly starting to feel so fucking overburdened. A million things on my mind, only 24 hours in a day. How the fuck am I supposed to fix everything with such limited time.
Write it all down so you can focus your mind on getting stuff done instead of thinking about everything at the same time :)

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Post by KiLLu12258 »

still thinking how amazing defqon was. Was hyped for months for it and then it went so damn fast.
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