How to: Dubstep basses in hardstyle (?)

[iampsych]

Hi everyone
I'm wondering how do folks like pherato , noisecontrollers etc make those dubsteppy bass sounds , and especially how do they mix it with the lead sound (melody). I've been trying for the last month and somehow can't make them fit. The timbre of the two sounds are just sooo different :/
well , anyway ,if some of you have an idea pls be sure to let me now.

Ps: i started experamenting with bandpass and band reject filters , and different eqs so that the lead and the dub styled basses have the same frequency content
getting closer but not that good

Some songs to know ,what am i talking about:
NC - source code of creation
Demolite-Beauty
Loads of Audiofreq (man i love his work with these kinda cross genre thing )

Thanks everyone

[ASTARTAS]

thats..... a good question, i never tried it but from the technical theory side i would think that ... in the topic of "mixing" you should use a lot of multiband compression on the lows ...

You know lead kicks in ... the subs ( as an example ) are ducked down of your dubstep sound.
on the other side the whole timbre ... man experimenting is a TOP thing to do with this ... i think its a pretty fresh side of hardstyle with theese sounds so everyone needs to get used to it, i dont think you will find MANY quality tut's about this in the .net, just try try try ...

maybe show an example of your "problem" i think this could get out a better answer you know

besides that feel free to ask more.

[audiofreq]

Unless I need the bass portion of the bass, I just high pass my growls/wobbles so they don't mess with the low end of the kick.

I start around 200hz and work my way up.

As for blending with leads. Some clever voicing/instrumentation is all that's required.

Easy stuff.

[ASTARTAS]

Unless I need the bass portion of the bass, I just high pass my growls/wobbles so they don't mess with the low end of the kick.

I start around 200hz and work my way up.

As for blending with leads. Some clever voicing/instrumentation is all that's required.

Easy stuff.

thx for the info

[iampsych]

Thanks everyone for the responds:
-I use separate sub , so when the kick comes in i just simply dont use it and highpass the 'bass'sound at ~150-200hz.
-as for audiofreq , thats the problem, i can't quite find those intrumental choices , but i should really analyze a few tracks , shouldn't I?
Maybe i'll upload some snippets

Thanks everyone (and wow Audiofreqs replied )

[leeroy]

don't think you need to cut the bass out if you sidechain it properly, sidechaining the low frequencies in reference to the kick

as for the Nc timbre, I'd say it's less to do with synthesis and more to do with mixer fx and automation (a creative process)

[SCH]

Since the bass in the kick is pretty much constant, I would recommend to cut it out.

[leeroy]

I'm telling you guys, if the bass isn't muddy th hen don't cut it. Cutting away the bass will just take away power from the sound. sidechaining/ducking the audio will allow you to keep the bass and prevent them phasing. But putting the dubstep sounds over a hardstyle kick is obviously a different story altogether

[JoMaZ]

you can make dubstep growls/basses with a vst which has frequency modulation. In FL you can use sytrus. Otherwise get fm8. Check this guy out https://www.youtube.com/user/SeamlessR. He got very good tutorials on this type of sound

if you want to fit them with the kick cut them at 150-200hz. You can boost the mids if you want them to be more powerful but this depends on the style of kick you are using, because if the kick is taking too much place in the mids it could sound muddy fast.

[iampsych]

Thank I've already been using FM8 for a year (at least) , i can make the dubstep sounds
The problem is the texture difference between the leads and the basses , even if they're on the same vol , i can't craft them into one mix
mixing together with the kick is easy tho'
Lowpass everything at ~150-200hz and maybe cut some ~300-750hz and some 1k or 2k for the punch of the kick to come through