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Dj_Mazzanotti
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False notes problem

Post by Dj_Mazzanotti »

Hi Guys!

I've had the same problem since many time ago. When i'm pitching, my bass always sounds off tone.. As example, i'm using now a melody where the bassline notes goes like: B-C#-D#-G#. The problem is that i place my bass notes on these exact tones and when i show someone else the project, always the people say that the bass is off tone. I first thought that maybe the melodies i write aren't correct, but happened also when using midifiles from known artists that just can't be wrong.

Also tried using Gtune, always shows the bass is placed in the correct note, but again, when i show the track to someone else, say that anything is fine except the kick or bass which is off note.

Tried sometimes too to place the bass notes with the help of my ears, but the result was way worse :+

This happened to me when i was producing hardstyle and also now that i'm producing hard trance. So what's wrong? I have no idea of musical theory so maybe it is related to scales... Or there is a trick, kind of place your bass 1 note lower or higher, something like that?

Could anyone help me? :)
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Post by ljk32 »

This could have something to do with your kicks being out of tune, so they are lying somewhere in between two notes, which would make the kick sound strange no matter what note it is on. Can you upload a kick and let me see if I can pitch it? There's no trick to it, a kick should sound fine when it matches the bassline in a melody.

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Post by Dj_Mazzanotti »

I have no good hardstyle kick now, since i stopped some moths for taking a break and try something different... Right now i'm working on a hard trance remix... I can upload and let you hear... Well, that was exactly what i was thinking... But how to find the error... Here is the track, so you can give a listen and see if this sounds okay for you... i'm remixing (or trying to do) a-wak- helpless...

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Post by ljk32 »

I'm not 100% sure, but I'd say the kick sounds about right, it's the awful lead which could be making it sound 'false'. Try to get a nice sounding lead, and play the kick with that, and see if it changes anything. If it still sounds odd, let me know, I'll see if I can help.

And btw, thanks a lot for reminding me of Helpless, I completely forgot about it :dance: .

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Post by Dj_Mazzanotti »

Alright mate will wait for some more oppinions, if not, lets see what i can do :p

Thanks for your help tho!
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Post by NEKA »

Yeah it is in the lead. Although it makes them sound false, it isn't bad at all, I like it tbh :p try editing the lead and see if it changes to better. Also your bassline is little too stereo, it may also make it sounds weird.

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Post by Bakal »

I don't hear any false notes.

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Post by Rodey »

imo it's more like the melody has a different rhythm than the rest of the loop.
the loop is a normal 4/4 beat while the melody is a triplet.
mismatching rhythms mistaken as false notes.

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Post by ljk32 »

Rodey wrote:imo it's more like the melody has a different rhythm than the rest of the loop.
the loop is a normal 4/4 beat while the melody is a triplet.
mismatching rhythms mistaken as false notes.
I think you're right.

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Post by Cardioid »

Well, i'm listening on my phone right now, but i can't spot some false notes either.. But it also depends on which key you've made your kick in and bounced it down. So for instance: if you made you kick on F, and bounced it down, your C becomes your new F. So if you want to drop down to D you'll have to lower C 3 notes on A of i'm correct.. That's the way i always do it..
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