Why no Sample Packs From big names?

[MidnightDUB]

why would you need sample packs if there are tons of tutorials for different techniques and tricks on how to make one or other sound?

[Markove]

I used to be a huge trance fan. Now I absolutely hate the genre and even some of my favorite trance songs I can't listen to anymore. Why? It became the same sound OVER and OVER. New releases every day can bog one down (at least it felt like a new batch everyday), especially when only a few actually sound unique and passable. Not much originality or creativity as a result. The same goes for house (don't even get me started on dubstep). I find it funny how recently there's an influx of trance producers "quitting the genre" because of how sick they are of the intense commercialization of the genre. That's a completely different topic in and of itself, but it goes to show you how messed up that genre is right now.

The posts in this thread illustrate why I love hardstyle and how I've become so hooked. Personally, I feel the sample pack craze affected trance very negatively. I learned the hard way that sample packs aren't much of anything to be looked at. Sample packs would destroy the very essence of what most of us hold dear about the genre and end up being a waste of money. They may help you learn basic stuff like how to use parts of your DAW, arrangement, whatever, but those are picked up as you go anyway. It's certainly passable to use samples for basic percussion, but at least create your own synths and kicks. The sound only improves once you start doing that. Look at the numerous tutorials on this forum and YouTube. While there's a lot of malarkey out there, you WILL pick up information from everything you watch. It's not so much about watching just one tutorial. It's about watching many and picking up what you like, works best for what you want to do, etc.

It takes time. Don't expect instant success or gratification with your sound. This is something everyone needs to learn early on, otherwise you'll never be happy as a producer. The less you focus on trying to sound like the all-stars, the more you'll care just about what you want to do. This is why it takes years for most to get recognized - it takes years to become worthy of any title.

[Valtiel]

Some good answers & was good to see AudioFreq have a say. I do make most my own stuff so this was a general question over all

[Digital Shifter]

The Only thing it would do is that a lot of people wont learn the basics and focus on using samples.
Instead of pushing future generations it would be more a way of stagnating them.

Yeah agreed
Producing isn't/shouldn't be easy

Right! If it was easy, everybody could be a producer. Practice, and watch tutorials my friend!

[Valtiel]

The Only thing it would do is that a lot of people wont learn the basics and focus on using samples.
Instead of pushing future generations it would be more a way of stagnating them.

Yeah agreed
Producing isn't/shouldn't be easy

Right! If it was easy, everybody could be a producer. Practice, and watch tutorials my friend!

Read the above post dude, it was a general question.

[Y-Fact]

There are actually vocal packs supposed for trailers, atmozfears also used them;)

[frenetic]

This is a question that a lot of new / starting producers ask. If the "professional" producers give away there own work all the hardstyle music should sound the same. Like Audiofreq already said :

Why would I or any other producers want to sell my hard work so that other people will sound like me without the effort?

I've worked very hard to develop my style and sound, it doesn't make much sense for me to make what I do easy/available for others.

So... try to create your own sound and you will be very happy when you've created a massive sound, because you all did it by yourself :-)

[Valtiel]

I know that, no one noticed I said it was a general question?! lol :/

[Digital Shifter]

I know that, no one noticed I said it was a general question?! lol :/

You asked something, we just give some answers, dont be mad brah

[FreakshowDJ]

I agree with the point of this topic. Samples and presets are not really good for your personal development. BUT, when you don't know how a decent kick sounds, you don't know how to make it. For example, a cook who can't taste probably makes disgusting dishes.
And presets, yeah, I must admit it, sometimes I use them, but mostly I insert a preset from like The Void in my sylenth1 for example a cool pulse. Then I analyze the preset, how is this and how is that, what effect does it have when I raise the amount of distortion? Hmm maybe a pitch env could sound cool, maybe some cool cutoff envelope? When it sounds cool, I mostly copy the basics of the presets into a init, and start working from there. For me it works, and you can learn a lot of presets, only the most beginning producers make the mistake to actually fill entire "productions" with samples and presets. A friend of me sended me a track yesterday. He said, it is quite empty and needs to be "mastered". I know he does not have much experience, but I personally prefer listening to a track with good basics, a nice sounding lead synth, who is not irritating me, and a kick that sounds nice, but needs a bit of work, than listening to a track with ripped kicks with wrong EQ, BaZzBooSzT ExtR33Me effect, and pushes all the other sounds away, and the tracj is filled full with blutonium boy samples.

I know Audiofreq gives us nice free stuff, like the remix packs. A couple of months ago I started working with NI Massive, and Audiofreq gave us some of his presets for Massive.

As anyone who ever fires up NI Massive and took a look at it, knows it's not the easyest synth to use. The presets from Audiofreq helped me to learn NI Massive, like how to make a nice Supersaw, and how to make that cool distorted lead sounds you hear a lot in his tracks.

About Nexus. Yeah, it is not very great for your creativity, but to make a deep pad or choir, you need to have a lot layers of Sylenth1. I mostly use Nexus for layering. I don't want to use it, but I don't have the skills ATM to make a good pad or a nice and bright choir. Now I know everyone here is gonna say: DUDE BUY VIRUZ TI LIEK IETZ SIEK MAN WHEN YOU BUY THIESZ YOU MAKE AWSUM TRACKZ AND YOU GONNA BEE JUST LIEK HEDHANTRZ.
Yes, you can make very awesome sounds with the Virus, that's why so many producers prefer this synth. But when you know nothing about synthesis, you mostly are going to use the presets, and who buys a EU1600 hardware synth, only for presets?

The "moraal van dit verhaal":

Samples can be very useful, and you ca learn a lot from presets, but don't let them influence your creative workflow.