Not before 2018 though. Before that, it was a true subculture.DjVero wrote:Hardstyle has been commercial af for many years alreadymrcax5 wrote:Hardstyle should be kept out of mainstream festivals mainstages (by that i don't mean sidestages on tomorrowland), just the places that are being visited by those brainless sheep music consumers that listen only every shit that radios or every "EDM" artist throws at them which is basicly only 100 most popular songs.
Hardstyle should be kept out of touch (in terms of production and playing. Yes, i know it's coming now "but they can play or "produce" whatever "they" want") from those mainstream EDM dick riders money grabbers artists such as W&W, Armin, Tiesto, etc. They just jump on whatever wave comes and just ride it till the next one comes, and those kind of artists actually are destroying it IMO for the reason stated above.
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Hardstyle was definitely commercial for a long time before 2018...[] wrote:Not before 2018 though. Before that, it was a true subculture.DjVero wrote:Hardstyle has been commercial af for many years alreadymrcax5 wrote:Hardstyle should be kept out of mainstream festivals mainstages (by that i don't mean sidestages on tomorrowland), just the places that are being visited by those brainless sheep music consumers that listen only every shit that radios or every "EDM" artist throws at them which is basicly only 100 most popular songs.
Hardstyle should be kept out of touch (in terms of production and playing. Yes, i know it's coming now "but they can play or "produce" whatever "they" want") from those mainstream EDM dick riders money grabbers artists such as W&W, Armin, Tiesto, etc. They just jump on whatever wave comes and just ride it till the next one comes, and those kind of artists actually are destroying it IMO for the reason stated above.
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[] wrote:Not before 2018 though. Before that, it was a true subculture.DjVero wrote:Hardstyle has been commercial af for many years alreadymrcax5 wrote:Hardstyle should be kept out of mainstream festivals mainstages (by that i don't mean sidestages on tomorrowland), just the places that are being visited by those brainless sheep music consumers that listen only every shit that radios or every "EDM" artist throws at them which is basicly only 100 most popular songs.
Hardstyle should be kept out of touch (in terms of production and playing. Yes, i know it's coming now "but they can play or "produce" whatever "they" want") from those mainstream EDM dick riders money grabbers artists such as W&W, Armin, Tiesto, etc. They just jump on whatever wave comes and just ride it till the next one comes, and those kind of artists actually are destroying it IMO for the reason stated above.

You base that on, what? Because it was never really played at Tomorrowland mainstage, or something?
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I'm actually curious why he picked 2018 though. I personally can't tell anything that was so remarkable like around 2012.
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hardstyle was not commercial before 2008/2009 imo
When Qdance came to Australia, Chile,US - that's when it became commercial (09-12)
When Qdance came to Australia, Chile,US - that's when it became commercial (09-12)
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I don't understand these arguments about Hardstyle becoming "commercial". What does that mean? Every event, down to the $5 cover at the local club is "commercial" in that musicians are being paid for services. It is still a tiny fraction of a small subset of music. I know people who regularly go to raves and have no idea what Hardstyle is. Edit: They know Headhunterz and Showtek, but only in the context of collaborating with artists they actually follow.
Perhaps your ordinary partygoer in the Netherlands knows what it is, but the rest of the world has no idea. I have never met a casual Hardstyle fan.
It was never mainstream, and it will never be mainstream. There is a very high barrier to entry. I know many of you believe it to be "simple", but it's actually quite unusual (from a music theory perspective) and not readily accessible to people accustomed to "normal" music.
Perhaps your ordinary partygoer in the Netherlands knows what it is, but the rest of the world has no idea. I have never met a casual Hardstyle fan.
It was never mainstream, and it will never be mainstream. There is a very high barrier to entry. I know many of you believe it to be "simple", but it's actually quite unusual (from a music theory perspective) and not readily accessible to people accustomed to "normal" music.

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In my honest opinion Hardstyle became a non-underground genre and scene when Q-Dance and ID&T pushed Hardstyle events from 2003/2004 on. You can't exactly have massive festivals with advertising and broadcasts on FM radio bands while still calling it underground. "Commercialization" has just always been the buzzword for whenever the popular style changed into something new that old heads don't like. See: The first wave of nu-style after 2006, the next wave of nu-style in 2010, the wave of Euphoric a few years after, so on and so forth.
Hardstyle originated in Holland (and Italy and Germany to a smaller extent). Year Of Summer and Lose My Mind (and even some Code Black track from 2014 something) were played to death on our biggest national radios. Qlimax and Defqon, more than 30.000 visitors annually, Defqon even more, sell out within days (used to be within the hour or something). Pre-corona there used to be multiple (club) events in Holland every freaking weekend. The amount of releases each month is staggering. Top DJs drive around in luxury cars and live in houses that I can only dream of. It IS mainstream as fuck. Just because it isn't globally, doesn't mean it isn't mainstream.Segugio wrote:I don't understand these arguments about Hardstyle becoming "commercial". What does that mean? Every event, down to the $5 cover at the local club is "commercial" in that musicians are being paid for services. It is still a tiny fraction of a small subset of music. I know people who regularly go to raves and have no idea what Hardstyle is. Edit: They know Headhunterz and Showtek, but only in the context of collaborating with artists they actually follow.
Perhaps your ordinary partygoer in the Netherlands knows what it is, but the rest of the world has no idea. I have never met a casual Hardstyle fan.
It was never mainstream, and it will never be mainstream. There is a very high barrier to entry. I know many of you believe it to be "simple", but it's actually quite unusual (from a music theory perspective) and not readily accessible to people accustomed to "normal" music.

Imo it is only for the best that it isn't globally mainstream though. Usually that means it won't do any good to a music genre when the rest of the world picks it up, but that's off-topic.

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