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Netris
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Re: LEADS | General, Troubleshooting, etc

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Soundphase wrote:
Netris wrote:Do you still hear a hiss ?

Nope, there's no negative hiss that I can hear. Something to note - if you listen to close to the lead without much reverb and delay, you can begin to think there's something negative there when there actually isn't. Reverb and delay is a hugely important mechanic in leads, they make the whole lead sound smooth and particularly smoothen the high frequencies, chorus can as well but you often would use chorus to re-emphasise the sounds character. try adding some more reverb with pre-delay to make it sound more 3d
Yeah ! I made it, thanks to you :) But I think I either am going insane or I need to buy proper producing headphones because I still hear some hiss. Anyway, now that it's sorted out, I can continue to work on tracks. Thanks a lot.
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Post by Soundphase »

Netris wrote:
Soundphase wrote:
Netris wrote:Do you still hear a hiss ?

Nope, there's no negative hiss that I can hear. Something to note - if you listen to close to the lead without much reverb and delay, you can begin to think there's something negative there when there actually isn't. Reverb and delay is a hugely important mechanic in leads, they make the whole lead sound smooth and particularly smoothen the high frequencies, chorus can as well but you often would use chorus to re-emphasise the sounds character. try adding some more reverb with pre-delay to make it sound more 3d
Yeah ! I made it, thanks to you :) But I think I either am going insane or I need to buy proper producing headphones because I still hear some hiss. Anyway, now that it's sorted out, I can continue to work on tracks. Thanks a lot.
To me this sounds nice, but if you think so - you can always just get an eq and lower the 7 - 8khz range by a tiny amount, tweek it always to your own preference, and compare the sound of other leads as a reference. But I would really EQ the treble of the lead only after adding a big reverb on it

But as you said, headphones.. headphones may often color the mix and it's always best to mix a lead on monitors, maybe headphones can be nice for mixing down compression but that's about it
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Post by Netris »

Soundphase wrote:
Netris wrote:
Soundphase wrote: Nope, there's no negative hiss that I can hear. Something to note - if you listen to close to the lead without much reverb and delay, you can begin to think there's something negative there when there actually isn't. Reverb and delay is a hugely important mechanic in leads, they make the whole lead sound smooth and particularly smoothen the high frequencies, chorus can as well but you often would use chorus to re-emphasise the sounds character. try adding some more reverb with pre-delay to make it sound more 3d
Yeah ! I made it, thanks to you :) But I think I either am going insane or I need to buy proper producing headphones because I still hear some hiss. Anyway, now that it's sorted out, I can continue to work on tracks. Thanks a lot.
To me this sounds nice, but if you think so - you can always just get an eq and lower the 7 - 8khz range by a tiny amount, tweek it always to your own preference, and compare the sound of other leads as a reference. But I would really EQ the treble of the lead only after adding a big reverb on it

But as you said, headphones.. headphones may often color the mix and it's always best to mix a lead on monitors, maybe headphones can be nice for mixing down compression but that's about it
I'm almost 100% sure it's my headphones. The lead sounds good to me besides this hissing.
I know monitors are better, but I can't afford to buy a pair for now and even if I could, I couldn't use them since I still live at my mother's place. It'll come when I have a job and I move out ^^
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Post by Soundphase »

Netris wrote:I'm almost 100% sure it's my headphones. The lead sounds good to me besides this hissing.
I know monitors are better, but I can't afford to buy a pair for now and even if I could, I couldn't use them since I still live at my mother's place. It'll come when I have a job and I move out ^^
this is the basic idea


that's just
- 400hz peak cut
- 8.5Khz high shelf boost
- chorus
- delay

Send:
- Reverb
- EQ

you mainly needed chorus, the chorus completely modulates the high frequencies and makes it sound more smooth
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Post by Netris »

Soundphase wrote:
Netris wrote:I'm almost 100% sure it's my headphones. The lead sounds good to me besides this hissing.
I know monitors are better, but I can't afford to buy a pair for now and even if I could, I couldn't use them since I still live at my mother's place. It'll come when I have a job and I move out ^^
this is the basic idea


that's just
- 400hz peak cut
- 8.5Khz high shelf boost
- chorus
- delay

Send:
- Reverb
- EQ

you mainly needed chorus, the chorus completely modulates the high frequencies and makes it sound more smooth
Yeah, I didn't add any chorus (nor have I really ever played with it). But there's a basic reverb and basic EQ I included in my template. I just didn't played with it because it was not my concern at the moment :)
I'll try to play with the chorus and see what it's like with the 4 layers on (there was only one here).
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Post by Sound Fuckerz »

Sylenth1 have familiar built-in distortion, good engine but have no fat. Spire have a very nice sound engine and one tweaked Spire instance sounds pretty fat. But its shaper missing proper distortion.How do you do distorted lead with Spire?

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Post by nuttyt »

I don't usually do this but thought i'd share one of my new leads from my release I Am Death
The lead consists of a few layers of massive

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Post by Hardcoreking »

Im new to making my own stuff but i find it very hard to get the sound I am looking for currently using nexus, massive and sylenth1 but I find I am getting a more techno or happy hardcore type of sound when i would prefer a darker sound like AOF words of war

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Post by Undecided »

Anyone got any advice for eurphoic melodies? All my melodies are short notes and not enough slides , need to create some counter melodies too. I need to create a melody that gives myself shivers down my spine , which is gonna be v hard. :S
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Post by AudioPioneer »

@Sound Fuckerz Maybe use an external distortion plugin? (Trash, Ohmicide, Camelphat)
@ Hardcoreking I think you just have to know the synth really well, which takes a lot of time. I think you can make most leads with those 3 synths it's just a matter of tweaking.
@nuttyt Really like that lead, great job!

So, I don't know if this is the right thread but I'm just gonna go for it:
I'm really struggling with creating a good stereo-image/depth/atmosphere. Take a listen:

If you compare it to the original:

I just dont get how the original has this huge "room" that it fills, while mine is lacking depth and fullness. I dont know wether it's the synths themselves or what. One thing I did notice is that theres lots of reverb on those original leads but yet they are so clear and upfront(if you know what i mean).
Any feedback or tip is really appreciated guys! And sorry for using a frontliner-kick, my own kicks are not yet where i want them to be^^

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