Coronavirus (COVID-19) Topic

[Xurreal]

"Fortunately, rates of suicide have declined or remained stable across the world during this pandemic thus far.
The increased suicide during COVID” message is not entirely consistent with actual data."
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8110323/

For every study that shows this, I can give you 3 proven unbiased studies that show the opposite. + enough anectodal evidence around me, literally everyone I know is at a lower point mentally than before the lockdown

There were 40 studies used in that one. I'll be waiting patiently for 120 unbiased studies that show me the opposite

[ThePrincipal]

just on the gym shit, I haven't been to the gym since Jan 2020

You can do lots of exercise without going to the gym. Buy a dog Emre and walk it over an hour a day - It's kept me so much calmer in 2021 than 2020 lockdown hehe <3

[DjVero]

They are very, very disconnected from the actual real world, the real people. The measures they take don't make sense 9 out of 10 times. They lie time after time. They never admit their mistakes.

Mouthmasks? Don't work. Asides from collecting bacteria and giving headaches when having to wear it everyday at work for hours.

Evening clock? Didn't work.

Closing gyms? Complete bullshit and counterproductive (raises obesity).

Thousands of small businesses, aka people's fucking LIFEWORK, ruined.

Opening stores for shorter amount of hours = more crowdedness = more contactmoments = counterproductive.

Vaccins are the way out? Nope. Booster booster booster all you want for the coming years, gl.

Not to mention the media framing 24/7.

The list goes on and on. Yes, it is the government's fault. You can follow unlogical rules all you want, tell me in a few years if it changed anything in the long run. I will never trust a government that keeps lying and have the capability of 4 year olds.

Lockdowns are cancer. Look at where we are now, still fucked up, now let's look at the results: depression, suicides, drug abuse, alcoholism, domestic violence, marriages fucked up, friend groups ripped apart, business owners fucked over, etc etc etc. This won't stop until everyone stops obeying this bullshit. You are part of the problem.

Wow thats quite some assumptions you make there. I wonder if you can back up all these "facts" with reliable sources.

Coz as far as i can tell i dont see many of these assumptions in real life, and i see dozens of people every day and just like 90% of the people they just live their lives. You're not a scientist, so stop acting like one.

Maybe you should also stop projecting your own thoughts to a whole society, because it's simply not true. It might even help you too in the end.

Which assumptions?

Evening clock didn't work is actually spoken out by Hugo himself. (It's also the only thing they actually took responsibility for, they didn't say sorry, but alright)

Closing gyms = raising obesity - come on, you don't need to be a scientist for that. And you know people with obesity have a way higher chance of dieing from covid than non-obese people, so yes, it is counterproductive. Everything needs to be backed with some random study links nowadays, use your common sense.

Thousands of small business ruined is a fact, you can find that everywhere, even in my shitty town with a few thousand people, multiple small businesses went bankrupt. Businesses people spent 20+ years of their life on. Now, multiply this by the amount of small businesses in the whole world. COMMON SENSE.

Opening stores for shorter times. Look, again, common sense. People NEED to buy their shit. If a store is open for 10 hours, the visitors are more spread out during the day. If you open the same store for 5 hours, the same amounts of visitors will visit the store, except more crammed up this time, more crowdedness because people have less time to get their stuff, which results in more contact moments. I work in retail so I know.

About the 'vaccins are the way out' point.. Vaccins are the way out is what they said 1 year ago. Everybody took theirs, suddenly you needed 2. Then they apparently they don't work well enough, so now we need a booster. Then we will need booster 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. When will it stop? Oh btw, vaccins can have some nasty side effects too.

And then, enough anectodal evidence.. you can say all you want, but since you mentioned 90% of people just living their lives like before corona, total opposite here. People around me who never had issues, are now depressed, doing things they usually wouldn't do. If you were a completely isolated attic room zombie pre-corona, I can imagine your life didn't change much after the measures/lockdowns (not aimed at you personally) but for a lot of people, the things they took from us (social contacts, gym, parties, doing fun things in general) were the only things that kept us from not going insane in this prestige-driven, robotic, fucked up world. I don't know how many people you're in contact with on a day-to-day basis, but because of my work it's 100+ for me, and I can tell you your '90% of people just live their lives like normal' is sooo far from the reality. Sadly.

I stand by my point. Fucking up an entire generation mentally & economically is way worse than letting <1% of infected people die. Lockdowns and random measures are cancer. The damage from lockdowns will be visible for multiple decades from now. Use common sense instead of being in irrational fear.

And btw, depression is worse than death.

I've said enough, you won't change my view.

You can say all you want, without proper sources it's merely a random story by a random dude on the internet, which is how I read the above.

For instance about the gym argument, did obesity ACTUALLY grow these past two years? And honestly, I don't take arguments from someone who shouts COMMON SENSE and doesn't trust the government at the same time very seriously, which is why I ask for sources

[Emre]

if you need sources for things this obvious, never mind then.

Also, not trusting people that have proven to be unreliable and pathological liars time after time, even before corona, is exactly what using common sense is. I trust people that have proven to be trustworthy.

But sure, lockdowns are completely healthy, don't do any harm, and they are super effective against this virus with a 99.9something% death rate. Whatever you want.

[Emre]

just on the gym shit, I haven't been to the gym since Jan 2020

You can do lots of exercise without going to the gym. Buy a dog Emre and walk it over an hour a day - It's kept me so much calmer in 2021 than 2020 lockdown hehe <3

Dw, I get 20k steps a day and go to the gym 6 times a week, a backyard gym with friends, that is. If I wouldn't be doing this, I'd probably have already hung myself by mid 2020. Thanks tho. Just speaking out that closing gyms during a virus that is more dangerous when the affected have unhealthy bodies is completely fucking twisted.

[ThePrincipal]

It was impossible to get dumbbells for 6 months in Australia so I just gave up on that type of stuff hahhahaha

I am glad we at least get to play tennis. It was crappy when I couldn't do that so I can understand gym to you is like tennis to me

Either way, we just have to survive. we are not living, just surviving (Until someone funds hospitals better worldwide, whoever that is)

[DjVero]

if you need sources for things this obvious, never mind then.

Also, not trusting people that have proven to be unreliable and pathological liars time after time, even before corona, is exactly what using common sense is. I trust people that have proven to be trustworthy.

But sure, lockdowns are completely healthy, don't do any harm, and they are super effective against this virus with a 99.9something% death rate. Whatever you want.

I'm not saying I trust them. I don't know them personally, so how can I? I do believe what they do is in our best interest and closing everything prevents hospitals from flooding with patients, which is why we are in a lockdown. That lockdowns have collatoral damage is inevident. The fact you don't get that lockdowns are not to stop a virus, but to prevent hospitilizations after two years says enough imo.

[Emre]

The fact you don't get that lockdowns are not to stop a virus, but to prevent hospitilizations after two years says enough imo.

I do, but apparently it's not working well enough, or do you want to stay in this shit for the next 50 years?

Oh btw, that same government completely fucked up by saving on healthcare for ages. Then don't blame the people now for not following all of their dumb rules.

[lilfrenchidiot]

Oh btw, that same government completely fucked up by saving on healthcare for ages. Then don't blame the people now for not following all of their dumb rules.

The fact that the Macron government in France closed down a lot of beds in hospitals through their mandate really pisses me off. Death to capitalism and death to right edged politics

[DjVero]

The fact you don't get that lockdowns are not to stop a virus, but to prevent hospitilizations after two years says enough imo.

I do, but apparently it's not working well enough, or do you want to stay in this shit for the next 50 years?

Oh btw, that same government completely fucked up by saving on healthcare for ages. Then don't blame the people now for not following all of their dumb rules.

Lockdowns dont help against hospitilizations?? Thats new to me. Again, give me a source!!