Wildstylez bending lead? Hardstyle melodies?

[jontah]

Heya,

OK first off; melodies..

Really struggling with the melodies, trying out different scales, different rhythmic patterns, different basslines and topnotes.

Proffessionals; how do they think when they make a melody? I've been studying loads of midi's from Frontliner, Headhunterz, Wildstylez, Atmosfearz etc..

And it makes kind of sense, but not completely.

They use various scales to make their melodies, and various different rhythmical patterns.

But when it comes to the melody/topnotes itself - how do they THINK? do they stick with only the notes within' that chord or do they freely just go with whatever? I've tried both ways and what works the best for me is just freely putting notes around and see what I come up with. But still, my melodies doesn't turn out to be close as epic and memorable/melodic as the pro's.

For example, to make it easy, if the rootnote was A, and I would want to make an A minor natural/aoelian sequence, would I ONLY be limited to the notes; A, C, E (and G for the 7ths?)

Is this the kind of way to think about melodies, and does the pro's often apply that theory thinking into their melody making?

Next up - a typical Atmosfearz bassline. The chordprogression he is using in lets say The Prophet - Really Don't Care (Atmozfears Remix) is not the standard typical "I - IV -VI - V" chord progression. He is using something more like "I IV VI V I VI iii V". I guess I'm getting stuck on thinking of subdominants and dominants etc. I simply cannot let that "basic pattern" go and try something. One thing I do know is that the V always leads to the I and if I end a chord progression on V (the fifth) it will sound like it wants to resolve to I (the rootnote). But when I try different chord patterns it seems to get lost or sound messy on the way, since I have to always work my way back up to the V.

So tell me, is there another way to "finish" my chord progression sequence on? Does it always have to end on the V (fifth)? I want it to sound like its finally coming home in the end and resolve to the rootnote, but at the same time I want to try to avoid using the V for some variation.

oh and btw, don't tell me I need to learn scales, I know alot of scales (or atleast all major and natural minor/aeolian scales), and I have no problem using it. But is it really necessary to learn other scales such as the pentatonic minor and major scales etc? are many hardstyle tracks' melodies written in other scales? or do they just stick to the normal major/natural minor scales?

Tips/Tricks? I'd give anything to evolve and make it easier to make better hardstyle melodies. The melodies for me is the most important part of a track.

Please help!

Second, I wonder:

.. about how to make this very "in your face" lead which wildstylez are using in this tune:



And also what makes it sound like it's kind of "bending"? I'm thinking it might involve pitch modulation with an LFO controlling it? not just simple portamento.. the lead sound itself doesn't sound very "straight". How do I apply this in lets say Sylenth1 or virus ti?

Does it involve layers? if so, WHAT? you're probably gonna answer: detuned saws or squares. YES I know!! but what type of saws and squares and how are they processed? do they have monolegato? portamento? distortion? pitch modulation via LFO or envelope, etc etc?

Also, how do I get the same "in your face" sound as he does? reminds me of the Dragonborn lead which Headhunterz is using (or the same type of timbre/in your face in the lead).

Any tips/tricks on this would be highly appreciated.

Thanks.

[NEKA]

The bending is called tapestop effect, where the current sound will do the vinyl-like stopping, giving the bending sound.

Check out dblue_tapestop, it's a free VST and best one for tapestops IMO.

[jontah]

The bending is called tapestop effect, where the current sound will do the vinyl-like stopping, giving the bending sound.

Check out dblue_tapestop, it's a free VST and best one for tapestops IMO.

Thanks for the reply. But I'm not referring to the tapestop effect. I've bot dblue glitch 2 and I know how to do this in Logic without it also. I'm referring to the sound itself.

[Baltrak]

HAHAHA
Just waited for a so long time guys like you! (people making house/commercial music and then trying to make hardstyle)

The fact is that hardstyle melodies are harder to make than a simple 3 notes house track
Even you use a "theory" to make one, it will not have the same feeling/emotion as a producer who makes hardstyle since a long time.

If hardstyle has not a big producer base, it's simply 'cause is one of the style the most difficult to make.

Just listen to a lot of tracks, daily, live hardstyle, practice and with the time, you'll see changes!

Good luck! (and good luck for your kick )

[Echidna]

Use a 1/4 lfo controlling pitch on a low amp and should give a 'bending' style lead, on a virus just modulate osc 1 & 2 with an lfo, osc 1 square osc 2 detuned saw with some pwm, osc 3 saw with pulse sub... You'll get the picture

[jontah]

HAHAHA
Just waited for a so long time guys like you! (people making house/commercial music and then trying to make hardstyle)

The fact is that hardstyle melodies are harder to make than a simple 3 notes house track
Even you use a "theory" to make one, it will not have the same feeling/emotion as a producer who makes hardstyle since a long time.

If hardstyle has not a big producer base, it's simply 'cause is one of the style the most difficult to make.

Just listen to a lot of tracks, daily, live hardstyle, practice and with the time, you'll see changes!

Good luck! (and good luck for your kick )

lol. right.. and I appreciate that attitude of yours..

I'm here to learn not to step back, so if you don't have anything helpful to stay, you better stay out, cheers.

[jontah]

Use a 1/4 lfo controlling pitch on a low amp and should give a 'bending' style lead, on a virus just modulate osc 1 & 2 with an lfo, osc 1 square osc 2 detuned saw with some pwm, osc 3 saw with pulse sub... You'll get the picture

Cheers mate! I'll try this out. Most of the newer hardstyle leads has this type of feeling in it.

EDIT: tried it, not sounding close at all haha. What else could it be?

What about the melodies? Anyone got any tips & tricks on what to look out for and learn on it, based on my descripment?

[wiikarN]

Tape-stop melodies in hardstyle are horrible and I hate them.

[jontah]

Any more info about this lead? I'd really love to master to get something similar ☺ thanks in advanced!

[jontah]

No one knows anything about this lead? He seems to be using it alot in other tracks too such as: