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Re: Did you know? (Producers Facts)

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Shiniroth wrote:It's all about ears in the end. Someone who owns just a pair of crap speakers and REALLY know how they sound will mix a track better than someone who owns studio monitors and doesn't know shit about the way they sound.
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TheRavestyler wrote:
Taperecorder wrote:
TheRavestyler wrote:Did u know?
A synth needs a Low Cut of 100hz and everything under 100hz should be turned mono to make it fit with the kick the and rest is stereo spreaded.
same with the kick, 100hz and under mono , rest is stereo spreaded and widend.

correct me if im wrong :p
You're wrong. Basically there is NO rules for making or mixing music. If it sounds good, it sounds good.
- 100hz low cut? No, no and no. You cut it at the point it still sound naturally, warm and don't conflict with other sounds. You may even cut it higher, to thin the sound.
- About the mono. Well its also what I think, is the best way to mix your sub. Becuase normally a subwoofer, is just one speaker.
- Stereo spreaded over 100hz. Again wrong. I may sometimes keep my synth mono, just to seperate sounds.

And yes, you may not agree with me - and thats why, your post is wrong. Because each person, have there own way to mix :)
well u got a point there .
but for example just look at that new coone video he shows that lead freq. 100hz cutted down.
so basically if u want to mix a synth with a Kickdrum u must low cut it .
cause if u dont cut it it wont mix well. there wont be any headroom for the kick than.
and todays synths in hs are all Stereo widend u cant hear mono often (expect insdustrial , dnb and co).
about cuttings synths more than 100hz , never tryed but i dont see much point there doing it if u cut it to lets say 200hz down it will sound too thin thats why i would leave it at 100hz.
No, just because Coone did it on one lead, that doesn't mean it applies to every lead. Go by the sound of things and not the values. Stop spreading crap you don't know.
Stuart wrote:Yeah pretty sure the majority of producers cut below 100hz or even more than that. However, didn't Frontliner and someone else (Atmozfears maybe?) say that they automate the low cut so that in the break or whatever their synths are playing all frequencies, and then when they bring the kick in the automation then cuts below 100hz or whatever on the synth?
Yeah man, a lot of the producers do that so the frequency spectrum sounds really full(like you mentioned) when the lead is playing on its own. Instead of just automating the low cut though, some will have some type type of low pad/sub to fill up the low end. It's all up to taste anyway, since the main aim is just to have a full low end without the kick.

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ljk32 wrote:
TheRavestyler wrote:
Taperecorder wrote: You're wrong. Basically there is NO rules for making or mixing music. If it sounds good, it sounds good.
- 100hz low cut? No, no and no. You cut it at the point it still sound naturally, warm and don't conflict with other sounds. You may even cut it higher, to thin the sound.
- About the mono. Well its also what I think, is the best way to mix your sub. Becuase normally a subwoofer, is just one speaker.
- Stereo spreaded over 100hz. Again wrong. I may sometimes keep my synth mono, just to seperate sounds.

And yes, you may not agree with me - and thats why, your post is wrong. Because each person, have there own way to mix :)
well u got a point there .
but for example just look at that new coone video he shows that lead freq. 100hz cutted down.
so basically if u want to mix a synth with a Kickdrum u must low cut it .
cause if u dont cut it it wont mix well. there wont be any headroom for the kick than.
and todays synths in hs are all Stereo widend u cant hear mono often (expect insdustrial , dnb and co).
about cuttings synths more than 100hz , never tryed but i dont see much point there doing it if u cut it to lets say 200hz down it will sound too thin thats why i would leave it at 100hz.
No, just because Coone did it on one lead, that doesn't mean it applies to every lead. Go by the sound of things and not the values. Stop spreading crap you don't know.
what coone did in his video was just an example.
and what "crap", it is how it is.
if u dont cut ur lead , good luck with mixing.
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Did you know, that if your mix sounds already good in MONO, it'll actually sound a lot better in stereo?!
(And that's why i mostly produce in mono first, and in a later stage, i'll make it stereo)
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ljk32 wrote:
TheRavestyler wrote:
Taperecorder wrote: You're wrong. Basically there is NO rules for making or mixing music. If it sounds good, it sounds good.
- 100hz low cut? No, no and no. You cut it at the point it still sound naturally, warm and don't conflict with other sounds. You may even cut it higher, to thin the sound.
- About the mono. Well its also what I think, is the best way to mix your sub. Becuase normally a subwoofer, is just one speaker.
- Stereo spreaded over 100hz. Again wrong. I may sometimes keep my synth mono, just to seperate sounds.

And yes, you may not agree with me - and thats why, your post is wrong. Because each person, have there own way to mix :)
well u got a point there .
but for example just look at that new coone video he shows that lead freq. 100hz cutted down.
so basically if u want to mix a synth with a Kickdrum u must low cut it .
cause if u dont cut it it wont mix well. there wont be any headroom for the kick than.
and todays synths in hs are all Stereo widend u cant hear mono often (expect insdustrial , dnb and co).
about cuttings synths more than 100hz , never tryed but i dont see much point there doing it if u cut it to lets say 200hz down it will sound too thin thats why i would leave it at 100hz.
No, just because Coone did it on one lead, that doesn't mean it applies to every lead. Go by the sound of things and not the values. Stop spreading crap you don't know.
Stuart wrote:Yeah pretty sure the majority of producers cut below 100hz or even more than that. However, didn't Frontliner and someone else (Atmozfears maybe?) say that they automate the low cut so that in the break or whatever their synths are playing all frequencies, and then when they bring the kick in the automation then cuts below 100hz or whatever on the synth?
Yeah man, a lot of the producers do that so the frequency spectrum sounds really full(like you mentioned) when the lead is playing on its own. Instead of just automating the low cut though, some will have some type type of low pad/sub to fill up the low end. It's all up to taste anyway, since the main aim is just to have a full low end without the kick.
Yeah i don't bother doing it because i usually have a pad like you mentioned which fills up the spectrum, and obviously the pad ends when the kick starts in the climax :P.

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Darycka wrote:Did you know that a pair of studio monitors may even be the worst reference material out there? As your average listener doesn't own studio monitors, it's much more important that your mix sounds good on an average system :)
Is from the iPod also good? with just normal foam plugs?
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Digital Shifter wrote:
Darycka wrote:Did you know that a pair of studio monitors may even be the worst reference material out there? As your average listener doesn't own studio monitors, it's much more important that your mix sounds good on an average system :)
Is from the iPod also good? with just normal foam plugs?
For reference, of course! Most of the time if i'm testing a track, i'll take a hell lot of references... Like on my laptop, normal pc speakers, in the car (which is a great reference imo) on a small telephone external speaker and on the hi-fi in my livingroom.. If it sounds nice everywhere, you're doing it right!
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Nonkovic wrote:
Digital Shifter wrote:
Darycka wrote:Did you know that a pair of studio monitors may even be the worst reference material out there? As your average listener doesn't own studio monitors, it's much more important that your mix sounds good on an average system :)
Is from the iPod also good? with just normal foam plugs?
For reference, of course! Most of the time if i'm testing a track, i'll take a hell lot of references... Like on my laptop, normal pc speakers, in the car (which is a great reference imo) on a small telephone external speaker and on the hi-fi in my livingroom.. If it sounds nice everywhere, you're doing it right!
Hmm yeah, but you dind't bought these studio monitors just for fun right? Or am i wrong? Not hating or some but. Still rare, because when you're sure that your track is HQ on you monitors then why it woudn't be on normal speakers? But thanks for the tip Darycka!
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Digital Shifter wrote:
Nonkovic wrote:
Digital Shifter wrote:
Is from the iPod also good? with just normal foam plugs?
For reference, of course! Most of the time if i'm testing a track, i'll take a hell lot of references... Like on my laptop, normal pc speakers, in the car (which is a great reference imo) on a small telephone external speaker and on the hi-fi in my livingroom.. If it sounds nice everywhere, you're doing it right!
Hmm yeah, but you dind't bought these studio monitors just for fun right? Or am i wrong? Not hating or some but. Still rare, because when you're sure that your track is HQ on you monitors then why it woudn't be on normal speakers? But thanks for the tip Darycka!
No of course, but since studio monitors have a better frequency response than other loudspeaker systems, you always want to check things.. Like for instance, if i can hear a drum kick on my studio monitors really good, it can disappear in your mix when you're listening on laptop speakers for instance.. Because they don't have the same frequency response as your high tech monitors. Because you want to make sure that you can hear every single thing in your mix, because IF you sell something, everything needs to heard on every set of loudspeakers. If not, the consumer will find your tracks lacking of proper quality, and will not buy your shit anymore. ;)
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This I guess is more personal but unless I get a good amount of sleep I cant produce for shit on the next day.
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