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Postby SKRWD » 26 Jul 2019, 14:52

I've never considered myself as a part of the Hardcore scene (even though my journey's started with Thunderdome back in 2004/2005), but from what I've experienced so far it seems that

NEKA:Modern trends and competition ruined it imo.
Now, we have dozens of new tracks constantly being produced without any soul, filled with generic trends etc.
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Postby Szy » 10 Aug 2019, 19:31

The problem is this generation; accepting poor quality childcore with all the fucked up pok pok pok kicks that have no intensity at all.
The trend of Frenchcore, that style it’s just so poor, what a drama. The Hardcore scene should be really ashamed of themselves, especially the new softcore generation that likes it. You all are destroying what Hardcore is all about; rough, hard, agressive instead of soft, childish and happy!
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Postby jacktorrance » 18 Aug 2019, 11:48

Szy:The problem is this generation; accepting poor quality childcore with all the fucked up pok pok pok kicks that have no intensity at all.
The trend of Frenchcore, that style it’s just so poor, what a drama. The Hardcore scene should be really ashamed of themselves, especially the new softcore generation that likes it. You all are destroying what Hardcore is all about; rough, hard, agressive instead of soft, childish and happy!


I agree with that. Most of Sefa's and Dr.Peacock productions are miles away from the quality of hardcore we had before. It really sucks. They just play random ass tunes with frenchcore beats.

I miss artists like Nosferatu, Tommyknocker, Dione, Tha Playah, Dj D, Meccano twins and Amnesys... I know some are still around but we don't get to see them as often. Thanfully we still have good producers like mad dog and angerfist. Also I must name my favorite producers of the last couple years: the melodysts. Love them, they are bringing so much freshness to hardcore music
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Postby Payne » 18 Aug 2019, 16:31

jacktorrance:Thanfully we still have good producers like mad dog and angerfist.


...where nearly every track sounds exactly like the previous. Hardcore is pretty much dead
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Postby noiseshock_of » 20 Aug 2019, 12:54

Exactly the same that is "going on" with any other music genre - nothing, just older generations who believe it used to be better and not liking the new thing. In any genre you'll find these people who would bet their lives it "used to be better".
Don't get this wrong, I rather have millennium hardcore than the new thing. But it doesn't mean something is going on. Music stays on the move all the time because the older generations will stop partying sooner or later, so as an artist you want to stay fresh and bring new people in, otherwise there comes a time you will have no crowd anymore but a bunch of 40 year olders who are still going hard. Perfectly respectable as well, but if music is your main income, it's not ideal.
Also.. As a listener I rather have something that is moving in one direction. It's just the way all genres work. I might or might not like the current direction, but I prefer that to a stuck genre.
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Postby jacktorrance » 20 Aug 2019, 20:53

noiseshock_of:Exactly the same that is "going on" with any other music genre - nothing, just older generations who believe it used to be better and not liking the new thing. In any genre you'll find these people who would bet their lives it "used to be better".
Don't get this wrong, I rather have millennium hardcore than the new thing. But it doesn't mean something is going on. Music stays on the move all the time because the older generations will stop partying sooner or later, so as an artist you want to stay fresh and bring new people in, otherwise there comes a time you will have no crowd anymore but a bunch of 40 year olders who are still going hard. Perfectly respectable as well, but if music is your main income, it's not ideal.
Also.. As a listener I rather have something that is moving in one direction. It's just the way all genres work. I might or might not like the current direction, but I prefer that to a stuck genre.


I guess this has some truth to it. I try and stay in touch with all the new music by downloading all the liveset and listening during my workouts. I must say I really like the new hardstyle and rawstyle. But I can't help but feel that hardcore hasn't really found a way to re-invent itself in 2019. Way less creative than before imo.

I mean could we hear this masterpiece in 2019 ?

https://youtu.be/eskuSpXxeWs?t=119
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Postby jacktorrance » 20 Aug 2019, 21:03

BTW. Guys if you don't know the melodyst check them out

https://youtu.be/Zi44RgI2zrg

I don't understand why they aren't at the top of the hardcore venues right now next to angerfist. Their productions are so good.
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Postby NEKA » 21 Aug 2019, 00:22

jacktorrance:I don't understand why they aren't at the top of the hardcore venues right now next to angerfist. Their productions are so good.

Just a theory, but probably because people their sound is "too complex" for the crowd.
Producers from MoH, Neophyte and Dogfight are popular because of that.
They stay relevant to what current crowd wants but also they have the best marketing.
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Postby Bibifoc » 21 Aug 2019, 12:58

You think this track of The Melodyst is complex ?! :? It's not really, plus this weird ravypsycorestep mixture is somewhat a trend in hardstyle. And that's the renewal of hardcore you're hoping for ? I'd rather see it dead. :+
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Postby ThePrincipal » 21 Aug 2019, 13:51

it might be dead properly at the start of next decade if we're lucky :(
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Postby NEKA » 21 Aug 2019, 14:22

Bibifoc:You think this track of The Melodyst is complex ?! :?

Personally I don't, I love that track.
I meant the standard crowd who aren't interested in the styles or subgenres in particular.
For them, high tempo and overdistorted kicks are enough :+
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Postby noiseshock_of » 21 Aug 2019, 16:55

jacktorrance:
noiseshock_of:Exactly the same that is "going on" with any other music genre - nothing, just older generations who believe it used to be better and not liking the new thing. In any genre you'll find these people who would bet their lives it "used to be better".
Don't get this wrong, I rather have millennium hardcore than the new thing. But it doesn't mean something is going on. Music stays on the move all the time because the older generations will stop partying sooner or later, so as an artist you want to stay fresh and bring new people in, otherwise there comes a time you will have no crowd anymore but a bunch of 40 year olders who are still going hard. Perfectly respectable as well, but if music is your main income, it's not ideal.
Also.. As a listener I rather have something that is moving in one direction. It's just the way all genres work. I might or might not like the current direction, but I prefer that to a stuck genre.


I guess this has some truth to it. I try and stay in touch with all the new music by downloading all the liveset and listening during my workouts. I must say I really like the new hardstyle and rawstyle. But I can't help but feel that hardcore hasn't really found a way to re-invent itself in 2019. Way less creative than before imo.

I mean could we hear this masterpiece in 2019 ?

https://youtu.be/eskuSpXxeWs?t=119


probably not "that" exact masterpiece because that style is outdated, but we could hear tracks that are masterpieces within the current paradigm. there is some uptempo that is really good actually, and some uptempo tracks that became classics of the hardcore genre by now. sure the specific demographics that hate uptempo won't accept that too easily but it's just the way it is. facts over feels.
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Postby thatgabberboy » 27 Aug 2019, 17:44

I believe that you guys are a bit overreacting. Yes, hardcore is becoming mainstream nowadays, and uptempo like it or not is pushing right through it! If you like hardcore you are constantly searching and finding tunes that speak to you! Just because we have 10-20 mainstream artists that compete for who will make the most viral kick at the fastest tempo, doesn't mean that we have to follow!

But bare in mind Hardcore is a very generic term nowadays, you can find hardcore at 150 bpm and you can find hardcore at 250bpm.
There are soul and dedication in hardcore but you need to find it among the hundreds of tunes being released every month!

I like what we have today, a scene that is more diverse than ever before if I don't like one artist there are numerous others to explore.
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Postby jacktorrance » 11 Sep 2019, 11:53

Yeah I completely changed my mind this summer after going to a couple festivals and listening to the q-base livesets. Hardcore is just as strong as ever. I had a blast listening to some of the newcomers like deadly guns, n-vitral and the melodyst, as well as stuff like access one, anime, tha playah, angerfist and destructive tendencies. Older artists like neophyte and paul elstak also found an excellent way to stay relevant.

I'm pumped!

That being said, frenchcore (sefa) fucking sucks!!! (6)
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Postby thatgabberboy » 11 Sep 2019, 13:21

i agree with you Jack minus the last line u layed down i will pretend i didnt read it xD
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