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Postby Shadow Interaction » 12 Apr 2014, 15:13

You know... there was a time once when famous songs were being recycled into hardstyle versions, based on either a melody or a complete idea. These hardstyle songs were either released as a solo track or a bootleg, and they were massively populair in the hardstyle scene.
Tracks like The Hose - I Survived, Max Enforcer - Catching Up, Zany & Dv8 - Nothing Else Matters and even the unknown bootleg on Take On Me (by Scope dj) had a sheer moment of fame... everyone still remembers that right?.. or..
Anyway most of them were epic and still are remembered up to this day, some even turned into big hardstyle classics and that's saying a lot.

Over the last 2-3 years however, this has become the newest hype in the scene... and not for the greater good.
Back in 2012 when Wildstylez released Year Of Summer, Lose My Mind (ft Brennan Heart) and his remix on Wild One Two, the scene secretly slipped in the idea to combine the idea of a remix and a bootleg together, so bootlegs were now called remix or re-amp (for whatever the hell that means), and the bootleg term/definition seems to have vanished from the industry.
Now obviously I'm not saying that these tracks were bad, cause they were huge hits! For sure a lot of people hated it, but imo they werent bad at all. Even with the male pop singing and video clips.
Hell I even called out Wild One Two as the very best mainstream track of the year.



My biggest concern however is... what followed next.
Now i'm now talking about the succes of the tracks, but rather the mentality of the impact, and how it influenced new producers. For some reason, everyone started the think they had to remix a famous pop, house or trance song to get a hit, and you know what? It actually worked and failed at the same time.
New remixes (bootlegs) popped out of the ground from small artists to big ones and there were populair, but
If they were populair why did they fail you ask? Well simply put... they arent made to be classics.

Aside from the major overkill of tracks we have today, is that the producers back then had a lot of love for the music, and the back then the idea was to create a hardstyle version of a famous song, taking in all of the elements like chords, vocals and the general feel of the track.
These tracks currently: they don't have that.
Everyone simply tries to create 'that big one', but it doesn't, because it's being made just to be a hit. Either in a professional way, or a lazy one (Yes Zatox and The Pitcher, that include you aswell). Just taking a sound and putting your kick under it isn't good enough.

Everytime I open up Harderstate I'm afraid to see 10 more pages of remixes from popsongs, of course unfortunately leaded by mr. trendstarter Wildstylez, who seems to do so on a daily basis.
And remixers that only know the standard formula of a [intro] [break with male vocal] [climax with a nice stuck in your mind melo] [again male vocal] [and here we go again, same part] [outro]
I've lost count on how many there are these days, and what I get to hear, I often don't like it.

So, what tracks are worth to look at? What is your opinion on it? Forget the whole Nu-style vs hardstyle discussion, this is the newest thing currently trending in hardstyle world.
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Postby DjVero » 12 Apr 2014, 15:21

I thought you weren't into hardstyle anymore that much, yet you still manage to create a topic talking about commercial remixes and stuff :+

Btw, there's not that many more remixes than a couple of years ago. The only difference is that some are actually getting released, but that's like once in 5 months or something...
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Postby Emre » 12 Apr 2014, 15:22

Might be just me but I think Wildstylez remix of Legacy is really one of the better poppy remixes out there! :)

and Spaceman - Headhunterz remix. & forgot to mention Lessons in Love.

I think it's fine to remix a pop/house song into hardstyle as long as the kicks are still proper and it's at 150 bpm + good sounddesign. So you can still hear it's hardstyle.
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Postby ceero » 12 Apr 2014, 15:25

If it has an idea and turns out to be something really original and fresh like Pitcher's bootleg of Twist and Shout or the Tocas Mirracle remix, im all up for it. If its made only for the sake making a hardstyle version of a track that everyone knows so that people will dance to it (like that tragic Code Black's remix of some random bigroom house track thats in right now or Isaac's Animals... ), that is what i call lack of ideas and creativity.f
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Postby Emre » 12 Apr 2014, 15:27

ceero pretty much put my post, but in better words. :P so x2 at what ceero posted.
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Postby Tritta » 12 Apr 2014, 15:41

I like these remixes generally so I will not complain ^^

But yes, producers should focus on their own tracks :)
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Postby Emre » 12 Apr 2014, 15:43

But yeah, I'd rather have Wildstylez creating EP's with tracks like Timeless/Forever!/Soundstorm than a house remix. :)
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Postby Shadow Interaction » 12 Apr 2014, 15:52

btw I didn't just open the topic, to limit it to commercial house remixes alone, but rather "remixes of different genres" in general aswell.

Another one I really really like is this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm4TAcsoMZ8

I'm sure the original isn't a hardstyle song :p hsm version is worked out really really well!
Yes, speaking about HSM, it seems Spoontech still got the right idea of creating great bootlegs. If I may recall, Vazard - Zimmersion anyone?
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Postby Freddy » 12 Apr 2014, 16:06

TBY remix of Benni track was quite good actually (apart from the melo).
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Postby Malgranda » 12 Apr 2014, 16:40

A lot of people may not like house remixes but most of them aren't that bad / uninspired like The Pitchers Cannonball bootleg, Isaac's Animals remix and Zatox' DJ Tool (which was more of a fun thing than a serious remix). Some people that don't like these remixes seem to don't like the ideas of the remix instead of the actual track.

ceero:If it has an idea and turns out to be something really original and fresh like Pitcher's bootleg of Twist and Shout or the Tocas Mirracle remix, im all up for it. If its made only for the sake making a hardstyle version of a track that everyone knows so that people will dance to it (like that tragic Code Black's remix of some random bigroom house track thats in right now or Isaac's Animals... ), that is what i call lack of ideas and creativity.f

I also share the same opinion as you. ;)
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Postby Neko » 13 Apr 2014, 10:18

The trend developed into an overload of bootlegs/remixes, because newcomer divined it being succesfull and it was... (I did it a few times too :D )I heard quite a few times already a nice bootleg from someonw who I never heard of in some pretty famous podcasts.
And thats just because its easier to produce those bootlegs/remixes and let them sound good than producing your completely own track. Also with this bootlegs/remixes you more easily pull the attention of the listener who scrolls down the tracklist because he most likely knows the original and the barrier to like a track gets smaller when you know the basis of a track. (I'm only talking about the majority of the hardstyle listeners - those who don't listen to hardstyle on a regular basis)

Thats my opinion why this idea of bootlegging/remixing works out.
But I also think this is just a trend and might end sooner or later. Because sooner or later those remixes/bootleg won't appeal special anymore when you read the track tags.
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Postby PNXRMX » 14 Apr 2014, 20:58

Everyone always takes the negative stance vs producers and djs, as though they're your enemies and you want to take them down at any possible opportunity. Maybe, producers make house bootlegs because they actually LIKE the track and want to create a version playable in their hardstyle set. Do you really think that Zatox's thought process is: "I know what will make me rich and famous! Epic with different kicks!"? :P

Productions from other genres, where there's more money to go around, also tend to have better vocalists (from countries where people can actually speak English properly, for example). Why pay loads of money or suffer reduced quality when you could just sample <insert popular track here>? Or, from a dj point of view, maybe you want to create that epic crowd moment that you can only achieve with a tune that everybody knows?

It just so happens that the sound from house/bigroom/trance/pop fits with the current hardstyle sound better, which makes sampling/bootlegging/remixing a whole lot easier. Plus, there are a fuckload of hardstyle producers, so pretty much every bootleg imaginable is going to get made by someone. The problem is that there is 'too much' of one type of track, but that's an inevitable consequence of humanity. It happens with every genre in every era. Most people just aren't very original.
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Postby Emre » 14 Apr 2014, 21:10

^

This. Couldn't say better.
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Postby The Void » 14 Apr 2014, 21:27

As stated above, bootlegs are a great way to promote yourself as an upcoming producer. People are already familiar with the original tracks so you can "leech" from the popularity of those tracks to get your name out more. Also with vocal tracks becoming more popular and more producers wanting to make tracks in these style the acapellas that are released from these other genres become a good source to use as the vocals are of professional quality.

I personally like bootlegs where you can hear that they've actually put effort into the track rather than just taking the original and placing a hardstyle kick into it. Tracks like the Bioweapon remix of Toca's Miracle and some of the Toneshifterz bootlegs are still some of my favourites.

When I make a bootleg of a track it's because I want to make it for fun rather than for the extra promotion that could come out of it. I make bootlegs of tracks that I like a lot and that I would be interested in hearing a hardstyle version of and whilst I make it I try to add something new to the original to make it more interesting. But this is just my approach to bootlegs :)
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Postby Maximumraver » 14 Apr 2014, 22:05

PNXRMX wins the thread.
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