What is going on with ‘Hardcore’..?
What is going on with ‘Hardcore’..?
Can someone explain to me what Hardcore is all about nowadays?
Jesus Christ.
Hardcore is too soft for words at the moment.
Where is the "hardness" in the current Hardcore, that you just want to go hard and hak your brains out at a party or festival instead of standing still, socialize and make selfies as if you were in a pub. The New generation even can’t hak!!
And no, this has nothing to do with the past, that everything was better back then, but with the fact that Hardcore has slipped into soulless, uninspired pussy-like festival music where the term Hard in Hardcore has been completely nullified and destroyed...
Jesus Christ.
Hardcore is too soft for words at the moment.
Where is the "hardness" in the current Hardcore, that you just want to go hard and hak your brains out at a party or festival instead of standing still, socialize and make selfies as if you were in a pub. The New generation even can’t hak!!
And no, this has nothing to do with the past, that everything was better back then, but with the fact that Hardcore has slipped into soulless, uninspired pussy-like festival music where the term Hard in Hardcore has been completely nullified and destroyed...
Modern trends and competition ruined it imo.
Rawstyle's popularity and it's influences changed the hardcore sound for it stay in the current business.
Then uptempo and modern frenchcore became popular.
All these mixed together with hardcore just to please bigger crowds.
Now, we have dozens of new tracks constantly being produced without any soul, filled with generic trends etc.
It sells for newer generation so all producers are doing it a lot just to stay relevant and not to "drop out".
Rawstyle's popularity and it's influences changed the hardcore sound for it stay in the current business.
Then uptempo and modern frenchcore became popular.
All these mixed together with hardcore just to please bigger crowds.
Now, we have dozens of new tracks constantly being produced without any soul, filled with generic trends etc.
It sells for newer generation so all producers are doing it a lot just to stay relevant and not to "drop out".
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NEKA is spot on here,
As a guy that has been around since the early days, there's been next to no new tracks I've heard that I've even remotely enjoyed.
Granted, I don't check new songs all that often anymore, because I'm tired of getting disappointed. Luckily, Black Metal is incredibly vibrant at the moment, so I'm still getting tonnes of new music to listen to, so in that light, Hardcore's downturn over the past 5-7 years doesn't bother me as much anymore.
As a guy that has been around since the early days, there's been next to no new tracks I've heard that I've even remotely enjoyed.
Granted, I don't check new songs all that often anymore, because I'm tired of getting disappointed. Luckily, Black Metal is incredibly vibrant at the moment, so I'm still getting tonnes of new music to listen to, so in that light, Hardcore's downturn over the past 5-7 years doesn't bother me as much anymore.

Maybe if you wrote some music you wouldn't need 6 kick drums!
Hardcore seems to be too much of a BPM competition nowadays and roughness is somewhat secondary. That's my take on the latest trends and releases. I've not been here since the early days but I think this is somewhat similar to when Hardstyle became a thing. We're at a turning point where someday someone will say "this is not how it should be" and start another trend, I'm predicting that Uptempo will become less relevant... We'll see. I'm in the same boat as some here, it is becoming rare that a Hardcore release really surprises me.
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The way that Happy Hardcore (and as a consequence oldschool Gabber) went out of style, so too will Uptempo. We saw some great creativity years ago with Raw Hardstyle while Hardcore has been stagnant since after the turn of the decade.
I paid more attention to the Hardcore scene when I was a teenager into my older years, and tracks like Bottoms Up, the Mike NRG remix of Lost In Dreams, Design The Future, were all fresh and great to listen to. Hardcore had a great thing going on with having a melodic structure, and thanks to people like Nosferatu and Ophidian for keeping that style on life support.
It's all about BPMs now though, and once the general populace gets tired of Uptempo, it'll fade away and hopefully the slower melodic style will rise again. Hardstyle has been seeing some revival of a melodic style that doesn't sound uber weak, hopefully Hardcore will follow.
I paid more attention to the Hardcore scene when I was a teenager into my older years, and tracks like Bottoms Up, the Mike NRG remix of Lost In Dreams, Design The Future, were all fresh and great to listen to. Hardcore had a great thing going on with having a melodic structure, and thanks to people like Nosferatu and Ophidian for keeping that style on life support.
It's all about BPMs now though, and once the general populace gets tired of Uptempo, it'll fade away and hopefully the slower melodic style will rise again. Hardstyle has been seeing some revival of a melodic style that doesn't sound uber weak, hopefully Hardcore will follow.
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been shit for many years........
That's what's up.
That's what's up.
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Not a black metal expert myself and not really a fan of it, but black metal as a genre seems a bit more specific to me with fast drumming, heavily distorted guitars and screaming or high-pitched vocals - and has been the case for decades I guess (probably not the appropriate "definition" but has less to do with the point I'm trying to make though) - than hardcore which is firstly, has numerous variations from melodic or "crowd-friendly" uptempo type to crossbreed or industrial hardcore, and secondly, it constantly changes - as it's an electronic music genre - due to technology and other genres by nature (aaaaand also for some reasons NEKA mentioned).Morbid_Angel wrote: Granted, I don't check new songs all that often anymore, because I'm tired of getting disappointed. Luckily, Black Metal is incredibly vibrant at the moment, so I'm still getting tonnes of new music to listen to, so in that light, Hardcore's downturn over the past 5-7 years doesn't bother me as much anymore.
So with this logic it's probably harder to get tired of black metal when you're so sure what you want and expect to hear than hardcore which is way more vague I guess?

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First, there's absolutely no correlation to me liking Black Metal and me not liking the garbage the Hardcore scene has turned into.The Convicted wrote:Not a black metal expert myself and not really a fan of it, but black metal as a genre seems a bit more specific to me with fast drumming, heavily distorted guitars and screaming or high-pitched vocals - and has been the case for decades I guess (probably not the appropriate "definition" but has less to do with the point I'm trying to make though) - than hardcore which is firstly, has numerous variations from melodic or "crowd-friendly" uptempo type to crossbreed or industrial hardcore, and secondly, it constantly changes - as it's an electronic music genre - due to technology and other genres by nature (aaaaand also for some reasons NEKA mentioned).Morbid_Angel wrote: Granted, I don't check new songs all that often anymore, because I'm tired of getting disappointed. Luckily, Black Metal is incredibly vibrant at the moment, so I'm still getting tonnes of new music to listen to, so in that light, Hardcore's downturn over the past 5-7 years doesn't bother me as much anymore.
So with this logic it's probably harder to get tired of black metal when you're so sure what you want and expect to hear than hardcore which is way more vague I guess?
Second, you seem to make the same mistake with BM as people that don't know hardcore do, by putting everything in the same space. BM is incredibly varied, with micro-genres within micro-genres.
My only point with bringing up Black Metal was that I'm still getting quality music to listen to in other places.
When it comes to Hardcore, I mostly gravitate towards the melodic or "mainstream" stuff because I really enjoy the massive, well constructed, melodies paired with a meaty kick. (but not the shit version of it, EA or Endymion popularized) That micro-genre is (apparently) dead so I don't really check new stuff anymore
When I listen to Black Metal, I tend to steer clear of melodic- and atmospheric black because I want it to be aggressive and hateful, which those sub/micro-genres seldomly are.

Maybe if you wrote some music you wouldn't need 6 kick drums!