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Postby Audiogenetic » 05 Feb 2018, 17:13

Vi Ta Lee:Short tutorial from me. How to pitch a hardstyle kick in Logic Pro X.

I think it's simple but effective method.



Well, that's very stretchy sound. I'd prefer to use good sampler, i.e. Logic Pro X' EXS24
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Postby NRx Hardstyle » 09 Feb 2018, 15:07

So, Im back again making shitty kicks and this was one of the more "better sounding" ones, really want to build on this
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Postby Amplifire » 15 Feb 2018, 03:39

Hi guys, i am currently working on a new kick project, attached you can see, that the waveform is going very deep down after the layering of the 2 layers. don't know if it's correct, but for me the tail sounds pretty nice. What you think? or is the strange waveform the result of wrong layering? both layers have a lowcut at 40 hz.

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https://picload.org/view/dardwwpi/unbenannt.jpg.html
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Postby Whisky » 15 Feb 2018, 07:22

Amplifire:Hi guys, i am currently working on a new kick project, attached you can see, that the waveform is going very deep down after the layering of the 2 layers. don't know if it's correct, but for me the tail sounds pretty nice. What you think? or is the strange waveform the result of wrong layering? both layers have a lowcut at 40 hz.

Greetings

https://picload.org/view/dardwwpi/unbenannt.jpg.html

From my experience, the strange waveform appears because there are lower frequencies below 20 hz messing with the phase of the kick. However, you lowcutted the 2 layers at 40 hz which shouldn’t be a problem, but what I would do is low-cut your layered kick at 20 hz, and see if it fixes it.

When I'm making my kicks, every time I distort the kick, I always get the same problem. I rarely ever low-cut at 40 hz because it removes the sub bass from the kick, so I usually low-cut from 20 hz to about 32 hz. Or maybe you have the sub bass separate from the kick.

Hopefully other users can give you advice!
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Postby Amplifire » 15 Feb 2018, 12:12

Whisky:
Amplifire:Hi guys, i am currently working on a new kick project, attached you can see, that the waveform is going very deep down after the layering of the 2 layers. don't know if it's correct, but for me the tail sounds pretty nice. What you think? or is the strange waveform the result of wrong layering? both layers have a lowcut at 40 hz.

Greetings

https://picload.org/view/dardwwpi/unbenannt.jpg.html

From my experience, the strange waveform appears because there are lower frequencies below 20 hz messing with the phase of the kick. However, you lowcutted the 2 layers at 40 hz which shouldn’t be a problem, but what I would do is low-cut your layered kick at 20 hz, and see if it fixes it.

When I'm making my kicks, every time I distort the kick, I always get the same problem. I rarely ever low-cut at 40 hz because it removes the sub bass from the kick, so I usually low-cut from 20 hz to about 32 hz. Or maybe you have the sub bass separate from the kick.

Hopefully other users can give you advice!


Thanks for the fast feedback. Will try today out when i am back from work.

Well in the past i layered many samples and i had everytime the problem, that the subbass in the samples are pushing away the crunch. So in this project i low cutted every layer as first before i begin to distort. Every layer sounds pretty well and i have no problems with the bass. But when i combine the layers, the bass getting too much and on these two samples i decided to low cut.

I create the subbass as a seperate sample



UPDATE: This is how the sample look when i combined the two layers without cut the bass. The low cut at around 20-30 hz didnt worked unfortunately. I am not sure if the waveform looks correct. In my opinion the bass is too strong and i would cut out now the bass out of the sample at around 40-50 hz and create my own subbass as a seperate sample. Then i combine with the tail. What you think guys?

https://picload.org/view/darpprar/neuebitmap.jpg.html
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Postby Gari » 23 Feb 2018, 23:26

Guys, need your help!
I'm trying to make a frenchcore kick and then pitch it in FL st. The problem is, when I use headphones, it all sounds ok, but once I switch to the loudspeakers it sounds like I'm hitting wong notes.
For kicks I use Microtonic + D-Stortion, Ochmicide,CamelPhat, WaveShaper and EQs, pitching in sampler e3 (or e2) mono, just adding cents (100 for a note). Even if I try dragging notes up and down it all sounds out of tune.
Most probably I'm doing something wrong, but can't figure out what and how to fix it.
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Postby Amplifire » 25 Feb 2018, 06:20

Gari:Guys, need your help!
I'm trying to make a frenchcore kick and then pitch it in FL st. The problem is, when I use headphones, it all sounds ok, but once I switch to the loudspeakers it sounds like I'm hitting wong notes.
For kicks I use Microtonic + D-Stortion, Ochmicide,CamelPhat, WaveShaper and EQs, pitching in sampler e3 (or e2) mono, just adding cents (100 for a note). Even if I try dragging notes up and down it all sounds out of tune.
Most probably I'm doing something wrong, but can't figure out what and how to fix it.



you could check if your kick plays on the right note with GTune. also you need to check, if your subbass is on the same note like your tail
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Postby Gari » 25 Feb 2018, 21:59

Thanks a lot, gonna try it out
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Postby Whisky » 11 Mar 2018, 07:35

Amplifire:UPDATE: This is how the sample look when i combined the two layers without cut the bass. The low cut at around 20-30 hz didnt worked unfortunately. I am not sure if the waveform looks correct. In my opinion the bass is too strong and i would cut out now the bass out of the sample at around 40-50 hz and create my own subbass as a seperate sample. Then i combine with the tail. What you think guys?

https://picload.org/view/darpprar/neuebitmap.jpg.html


At this point, I would do what you said and make the bass separately. Also, your kick waveform seems fine. It doesn’t appear to be abnormal to me.

One suggestion. In FL Studio sampler, there is an option called “Remove DC offset”. This is usually what I do if low cutting doesn’t work. It may change the bass sound slightly, but it does remove the waveform bias.
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Postby Whisky » 11 Mar 2018, 07:47

Amplifire:UPDATE: This is how the sample look when i combined the two layers without cut the bass. The low cut at around 20-30 hz didnt worked unfortunately. I am not sure if the waveform looks correct. In my opinion the bass is too strong and i would cut out now the bass out of the sample at around 40-50 hz and create my own subbass as a seperate sample. Then i combine with the tail. What you think guys?

https://picload.org/view/darpprar/neuebitmap.jpg.html


At this point, I would do what you said and make the bass separately. Also, your kick waveform seems fine. It doesn’t appear to be abnormal to me.

One suggestion. In FL Studio sampler, there is an option called “Remove DC offset”. This is usually what I do if low cutting doesn’t work. It may change the bass sound slightly, but it does remove the waveform bias.
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Postby Nightblood » 21 Mar 2018, 12:52

Yo fellow Producer! I need a feed back on this kick! I think it sound good and pro but i think it s possible to improve it more but how? what do you think?

https://clyp.it/51zmzm0p
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Postby Soundphase » 21 Mar 2018, 17:03

Nightblood:Yo fellow Producer! I need a feed back on this kick! I think it sound good and pro but i think it s possible to improve it more but how? what do you think?

https://clyp.it/51zmzm0p

It's nice but layer a new distorted sub drum underneath to give it more low end power, and move it horizontally to taste if it doesn't work to put it directly under that layer
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Postby Nightblood » 21 Mar 2018, 17:30

thanks for your feedback dude i try it!
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Postby Soundphase » 27 May 2018, 17:37

I think it's about time someone discusses this - Timestamps

When you finally resample your kick and you split the punch and the tail, what length is your punch and what length is your tail usually? I'm really interested to know...

this is what I found sounds good:

Mid punch starts: 0:00:000
Mid punch ends: 0:00.173
Tail starts: 0:00.173 or 0:00.105 with a fade-in
Sub kick starts (If I replace or add sub): 0:00.082
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Postby BrorGaben » 27 Jun 2018, 17:38

How do i make a kick like this ?

Is it possible with microtonic ?
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