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A little theory/thought on future hardstyle and sound design

  

Postby hardstyleprem1um » 16 Jul 2014, 17:35

Back in the days the producers didnt have so much synthesizers and computerpower to work with to produce kicks,leads,distortion etc.
But when new plugins and hardware got releases, then the producers could push the sounds further and further.
So i am thinking that in the future with greater hardware,plugins,DWS and synthesizers, that it will be possible to develop and expand the sounds to a next-gen level that has never been achived before. I think that hardware synthesizers in the future will allow the producers to create a whole new "Soundspectrum" that will keep the hardstyle and EDM sounding greater and fresh.

What are your thoghts on this. Do you guys think we will se a "New generation of sounds" in the future?

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Postby PNXRMX » 16 Jul 2014, 18:22

I also have a theory about medical operations. Back in the days, doctors didn't have as many tools and technologies to work with to save lives. But when research led to new techniques and tools, doctors could push their life saving abilities further and further. So I am thinking that in the future with greater techniques, tools and technologies, that it will be possible to save lives and care for people to a next-gen level that has never been achieved before.

See where this is going? You basically described something painfully obvious :P. Yes, everything moves forward. Not really a "theory".
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Postby hardstyleprem1um » 16 Jul 2014, 18:26

PNXRMX:I also have a theory about medical operations. Back in the days, doctors didn't have as many tools and technologies to work with to save lives. But when research led to new techniques and tools, doctors could push their life saving abilities further and further. So I am thinking that in the future with greater techniques, tools and technologies, that it will be possible to save lives and care for people to a next-gen level that has never been achieved before.

See where this is going? You basically described something painfully obvious :P. Yes, everything moves forward. Not really a "theory".



Hehe i get your point you little troll :p . I changed the topictitle.
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Postby leeroy » 16 Jul 2014, 21:22

Nah this isn't true. See, more than enough computer power and synth technology is already here. The evolution of hardstyle is not to do with technology anymore but it's to do with the brains of the producers. Producers arguably "evolve" from hearing more and more over years of making sounds, the kicks become less muddy, more bright etc. because the producer is evolving and improving his style... it is to do with producers mind, and not technology, because like I said: the technology that's already here nowadays is more than necessary.

Having said that, it's obvious that the quality of hardstyle is declining in recent years.. Hardstyle sounds much less quality than what it did 3 or 4 years back, technology is not going to do anything for hardstyle

And what you probably don't know is that producers nowadays even rather use synthesizers from older years such as the Access Virus C which was released in 2002.
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Postby PNXRMX » 16 Jul 2014, 22:48

leeroy:Nah this isn't true.


Complex projects can get pretty CPU heavy actually and there is a point where you basically can't add any more layers / automations / etc. and still be able to play back the track. There's also the advancement of plugins, which sound fatter and fatter with every generation; better algorithms for effects; DAWs with more capabilities and more streamlined workflows. There's definitely a lot more than just creativity.
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Postby leeroy » 16 Jul 2014, 23:07

PNXRMX:
leeroy:Nah this isn't true.


Complex projects can get pretty CPU heavy actually and there is a point where you basically can't add any more layers / automations / etc. and still be able to play back the track. There's also the advancement of plugins, which sound fatter and fatter with every generation; better algorithms for effects; DAWs with more capabilities and more streamlined workflows. There's definitely a lot more than just creativity.


you know, this is to do with your hardware. With about 16GB ram and 4 cores in your processor, the project is almost never going to have an issue with CPU unless you are producing in a really idiotic way. My initial point was that the technology is already here. I do however agree that DAWs are advancing as well as FX algorithms. But where hardstyle music is concerned,I don't think the "technology" is going to do that much more, Just my opinion
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Postby Digital Shifter » 17 Jul 2014, 00:16

I think when you look at the products of Virus (synthesizer) there is nothing to improve because it doesn't need that much EQ at all.
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Postby hardstyleprem1um » 18 Jul 2014, 15:27

ok thanks for the answers :) .The reason i was asking is because if you look at the sound design of the tracks like "Vitruvius" or "Magic" etc. Was that possible to produce tracks like that in ca 2002-2004. Not many producers now a days dont even comes close to the quality of tracks like bas oskam (williams syndrome and 2009 nc tracks). Is this because the producers now dont know how to produce sounds like that? Hehe just wondering ;)
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Postby leeroy » 18 Jul 2014, 17:14

hardstyleprem1um:ok thanks for the answers :) .The reason i was asking is because if you look at the sound design of the tracks like "Vitruvius" or "Magic" etc. Was that possible to produce tracks like that in ca 2002-2004.


Yes, it was possible but.. let's paraphrase this, was it possible to make a microwave oven in 1930? Yes, but nobody did it then :p
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Postby Absence » 18 Jul 2014, 21:34

Still the technically complex Noisecontroller kick of today is less coherent than a simple TR 909 kick and the impact distribution is worse. It's not only the technology that has been improved, but also because of that, the techniques have become more complex, not per definition resulting in better end products on every aspect. I also think that with each step towards "musical perfection" a piece of soul is lost in the music. Compare it with an earth full with perfect human beings, that would be a rather uninteresting planet. These diversions from perfection can give tracks an extra dimension.
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Postby hardstyleprem1um » 19 Jul 2014, 00:04

Absence:Still the technically complex Noisecontroller kick of today is less coherent than a simple TR 909 kick and the impact distribution is worse. It's not only the technology that has been improved, but also because of that, the techniques have become more complex, not per definition resulting in better end products on every aspect. I also think that with each step towards "musical perfection" a piece of soul is lost in the music. Compare it with an earth full with perfect human beings, that would be a rather uninteresting planet. These diversions from perfection can give tracks an extra dimension.



Thanks for your answer :)

Got another question: Take ex master Michel Pollen. Is he fully "educated" in sound design, and know in his mind how to create and turn osc to get ANY sound he wants? Or is it possible to create sounds with new techniques that hasnt been "thought" of yet? (If that makes sense ;) )
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Postby Shellshock » 28 Jan 2015, 01:58

Michel is very much aware of the mathmatical processes happening within different types of synthesis, and is a true master of sound manipulation and processing. And the best thing about this, is that he can apply his knowledge across the multitude of timbres and textures that arise in synthesis, and always come out with something tonally interesting and unique, but still solid in the mix!

as for creating sounds that haven't been "thought of" yet, thats simply imagination/experimentation [accidents too]. the important part is having the know how to process your sound effectively and keep the mix tight!
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