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read this interview with hhz wildstylez and ncs, they dont even hide that their focus is to make hardstyle as commercial as possible.
interviews-f61/interview-with-wildstylez-hhz-and-nc-in-dutch-newspaper-t10953.html

and i no its not so big in the US (yet), reason for this is that everyone listens to wombwombwobble skrillex. its quite possible heady becomes the next hype for the US market though

Seriously? I don't get all the fuzz about commercial or not. I listen to the music because i enjoy it. I go to the festivals because i want to party to it.
If i want to listen to something because its so underground i'd listen Splattercore(please forgive me if that isnt underground ENOUGH) or something lol.

Commercilization kills music. That's why.

SCH wrote:Commercilization kills music. That's why.

No, it doesn't. There's plenty of music out there which is commercial as hell, but still good.
When the entire jump hype started with Jeckyll & Hyde, there was no problem at all, because they made quality tracks. The problem was that people started to make money of it at that point, and didn't care about the music anymore.

Darycka wrote:

SCH wrote:Commercilization kills music. That's why.

No, it doesn't. There's plenty of music out there which is commercial as hell, but still good.
When the entire jump hype started with Jeckyll & Hyde, there was no problem at all, because they made quality tracks. The problem was that people started to make money of it at that point, and didn't care about the music anymore.

Gabber Piet, Hakkuhbar and Dj Paul wasn't really quality music, was it? Commercilization kills the creativity because it simply pushes down a genre down a dead end street of using a formula to a a certain degree where it becomes a parody of itself, just take a look at all the examples through history, like dubstep, happy hardcore etc, they all follow the same deadbeat formula...

..when I found myself again I felt the need to do something good without expecting anything in return.

Then also don't accept the invites of Radio538, which is one of the biggest commercial radiostations over here. Getting such a podium, is more of a reward than the little you earn from track sales nowadays..
I wonder if he donated the money to Dance4life, just to get access to this radiostation, to become even more famous.

Tisch wrote:Lop-sided, you seem to know very little about the uk scene.
Can you explain by what you mean by "nobody" and "everybody." you mean of your friends? dont know how you can speak for your entire nation.

Most of my friends have come up to me and told me about how great dubstep is, but it isn't just them who know about it. There have been several times where I have heard cars pass by that were blasting out dubstep music, or where I've seen random people with shirts that say "Listen To Dubstep" or shirts that have something to do with dubstep in general. In addition, in clubs around here, djs are adding dubstep tracks to their tracklist. Big name pop producers (e.g. Flo-Rida) have thrown dubstep influences in their tracks, and these tracks have been getting praised by people around me and on the Internet. Speaking of the Internet, if you look at the YouTube stats for videos like Skrillex's "Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites", you'll see that a good portion of people who watched the video are from the USA. In addition, I've seen a couple articles in American magazines about this American "dubstep fad" and I've even watched a preview of an American movie that used a track with dubstep wubs.

Anyway, I think I can speak for a good portion of my nation when I say that dubstep is a pretty well-known fad at the moment. Seeing that I've never witnessed or experienced any of this stuff for hardstyle, I can say that, at the moment, it's definitely more underground than dubstep. I'm not sure whether it will remain that way or not, but at the moment, it's not commercial.

And btw, I did mention that I probably didn't know much about the UK Scene. I was completely wrong, so just ignore what I said about you guys.

Lop-Sided wrote:I may be completely wrong about this, but as far as I know, the UK hardstyle scene is still somewhat underground.

Absence wrote:

..when I found myself again I felt the need to do something good without expecting anything in return.

Then also don't accept the invites of Radio538, which is one of the biggest commercial radiostations over here. Getting such a podium, is more of a reward than the little you earn from track sales nowadays..
I wonder if he donated the money to Dance4life, just to get access to this radiostation, to become even more famous.

Or maybe he is just a nice guy that enjoys all the attention he gets nowadays?

Nothing wrong with that

Qwertz wrote:read this interview with hhz wildstylez and ncs, they dont even hide that their focus is to make hardstyle as commercial as possible.
interviews-f61/interview-with-wildstylez-hhz-and-nc-in-dutch-newspaper-t10953.html

and i no its not so big in the US (yet), reason for this is that everyone listens to wombwombwobble skrillex. its quite possible heady becomes the next hype for the US market though

They stated later that a lot of it was meant as a joke, the comments Joram made about making music his Mother wants to listen to etc.. Their main focus is to make the genre as big as possible and I think spreading it around the world and getting as many people enjoying it as they can is brillant.

Joykill wrote:

Absence wrote:

..when I found myself again I felt the need to do something good without expecting anything in return.

Then also don't accept the invites of Radio538, which is one of the biggest commercial radiostations over here. Getting such a podium, is more of a reward than the little you earn from track sales nowadays..
I wonder if he donated the money to Dance4life, just to get access to this radiostation, to become even more famous.

Or maybe he is just a nice guy that enjoys all the attention he gets nowadays?

Nothing wrong with that

Enjoying all the attention he is purposely aiming for? As a music-artist your goal should never be to become famous. If you get famous by focusing on the music, it's fine, but when your musical choices are made to gain as much fame as possible, then fame comes before the music and that is wrong. Remember the issue with deadmau5, where he asked him how it was to be that famous? Sorry I don't believe in this "it just happens to me" shit anymore.

SCH wrote:

Darycka wrote:

SCH wrote:Commercilization kills music. That's why.

No, it doesn't. There's plenty of music out there which is commercial as hell, but still good.
When the entire jump hype started with Jeckyll & Hyde, there was no problem at all, because they made quality tracks. The problem was that people started to make money of it at that point, and didn't care about the music anymore.

Gabber Piet, Hakkuhbar and Dj Paul wasn't really quality music, was it? Commercilization kills the creativity because it simply pushes down a genre down a dead end street of using a formula to a a certain degree where it becomes a parody of itself, just take a look at all the examples through history, like dubstep, happy hardcore etc, they all follow the same deadbeat formula...

Still, it's not the commercialization which kills the music, it's the hype! Just to take a step outside this scene, take a look at guys like Coldplay and Adele. Commercial as fuck, still highly enjoyable, quality music.
I don't mind hardstyle getting some more attention, it's cool to see that more of my friends start to enjoy it as well, because they are developing an interest in my passion, which gives me much more chances to share my passion with them. People are opening up. I think that's the shortest way to summarize this.
Hardstyle doesn't have any kind of specific dance, like jumpstyle and happy hardcore had. If the Melbourne Shuffle would've developed to be a stock and standard hardstyle dance, I woul've been much more concerned about hardstyle dying. Nowadays I do not believe hardstyle will get hyped in such a way, especially with the jumpstyle hype being freshly in our memories.
And even if hardstyle would die of commercialization, I think we, the true fans, should be the last ones to be complaining. At least it'll become truly underground again if it would happen.

You're forgetting one thing, hardstyle has got the word hard in it for a reason. It is part of the style. If you want to make this style to become more popular, you'll need to make it more accesible and therefore you'll need to make the style less hard. If you think you need to change the basics of this genre, because it doesn't bring you the amount of fans you want to be adored by, then you're probably in the wrong genre.

Besides people around me also tend to get more interest for hardstyle, but since the style they are getting into, is the style that ruined hardstyle for me, I can't speak of sharing passions. Just sharing the same term for two different passions.

If you want to know what commercialization can do with a genre.. Just go back to 2006, check what the current hardstyle has done eversince to the early hardstyle and see how much is left of it. How many artists made the move to the next big thing, how many parties there are left nowadays and how much support the artists still producing/playing the old style get. It's the same fucking thing, but appearently people first have to experience it and then realize when it's already way too late; it already is too late right now; and then they wished they could somehow go back in time.

Plus hardstyle does have a specific dance, two actually, shuffling and "stampen" and I don't see why these dances are immune, while similar dances have ruined jumpstyle and hardcore according to you. There have been a lot more genres going through this hypes without any dance. And who is going to stop this with Jumpstyle fresh in our memories? The few people telling you should not go this way are being ignored and being put aside. We should not disturb Q-dance and the big artists path to more fame and the scene is that much out of balance that the core isn't even worth listening to.

Amen to that Absence...

@ Absence
Don't tell me to go back to 2006 and listen to that hardstyle. I've been listening hardstyle since 2003 and DJ'ing/actively following the scene since 2006/2007. I know what happened, followed hardstyle evolving.
I for one like some of the things that changed and dislike some other things. The general production quality improved a lot over time, and so did the quality of the compositions. Also, the diversity in the scene had an enormous boost. We now have mainstream tracks, which can be divided into softer ones and harder/darker ones and also we've got lables like Theracords and Spoontech, who'll keep hard and bring something totally different.
On the other hand, I can't deny that a certain uniqueness is gone. If I listen to a number of songs from when I started listening hardstyle, then I hear tracks which differ more from each other than songs which are released today. Tho we've got to keep in mind that older tracks come with nostalgia, and above that, that we only listen to the better tracks of those days.

But, to get to the point, just the fact that Hardstyle is getting more known worldwide doesn't mean that it'll die of commerce. As long as you won't hear hardstyle on MTV or see it in the Top 40 or smth, I don't think we should really fear for it to happen either. And like I said, even if it happens, let it die and get back to the core, not really a problem with that either, right?

Also, the diversity in the scene had an enormous boost...

... If I listen to a number of songs from when I started listening hardstyle, then I hear tracks which differ more from each other than songs which are released today.
Are you trying to defend both sides of your argument or?