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Postby PyroFlow » 05 Aug 2017, 20:10

paahhh:@xelnadu Loving the melody on that one man! I'm still pitching in Cool Edit Pro (Old School, I know..) But keep messing around with different methods of pitching. You'll find one that you like, but in my opinion i think it sounds fine.

I haven't produced hardstyle in a looooong time. Here's a rawstyle track I'm working on right now. Mix is a pretty terrible, ears still getting used to this. But please tell me what you think. Vocals, kick, lead all made by me.



First , nice build-up. I really like the feeling in this track and reminds me of the good old hardcore. To be honest , your mix could be a lot better indeed.

-Try to check the hats, claps , i think they are too loud for the rest of the elements in the track.
- Vocals are not clean enough and are a bit too loud. I think they also sound too high , lower the high frequenties.
- The upcoming melody with the filter is very cool but at a certain point it sounds too much. Try to do this a little bit more flowing.
- The melody is not straight in ya face enough :) Little bit less reverb and volume up. Maybe try to give it a bit more body with a stereo expander.
- The kick is really not good enough for a hardstyletrack. The kick is more hardcore style indeed. What could help is try to use a hardstyle kick from a samplepack and hear the difference. Offcourse making a hardstylekick from scratch isn't done in a couple of hours.

Overall feeling of the track is good but for sure it needs some work on mixing and the use of samples!
Good luck and hoping to see/hear a further version of this track!
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Postby NRx Hardstyle » 11 Aug 2017, 12:49

@Hayway: Lead sounds very compressed, there is barely any like punch in it, I'dd say you need to redesign it a bit more with decay and sustain tweaks. Otherwise pretty decent mixdown, kick is a bit too much in the back, and some sidechaining of the highs wouldnt hurt that much. Overall pretty a nice start for a track


Something I feel has potential, but dont know how to build the midintros and outros

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Postby AbstractReality » 16 Aug 2017, 15:30

NRx Hardstyle:@Hayway: Lead sounds very compressed, there is barely any like punch in it, I'dd say you need to redesign it a bit more with decay and sustain tweaks. Otherwise pretty decent mixdown, kick is a bit too much in the back, and some sidechaining of the highs wouldnt hurt that much. Overall pretty a nice start for a track


Something I feel has potential, but dont know how to build the midintros and outros



@NRx Hardstyle:
I really like the melody and the vocal, but imo the buildup before the kick comes in could be a little bit more powerfull.
The kick is really nice also.

NRx Hardstyle:@Dhamiri; Really interesting concept, mixdown is a bit not quite there, the hardkick is way in the background imo, but the overall oldschool vibe is really awesome. Keep up the good work!

@Xelnadu; I do love the melo, remids me of actual classical music really awesome stuff! The kick needs a lot of work, the structure and stuff like that as well, but yea, you got a great start!

@Neko; As always awesome and still loving that break!

Next up something "euphoric"(?)



@NRx Hardstyle:
I really like the intro, it has a nice vibe and sufficient power.
The melody is great, but i hear some "pumping" in the lead,
maybe there is something wrong with compression / eq'ing / sidechaining?
I'm really bad at this topics myself, so i can't specify this any further.

okay next up my track:
i'm trying to build my own defqon 1 australia anthem ( i will not submit it, since i'm from germany, it's just for fun / practice )
i know there is much work to do with the compression, equing, mixdown and last but not least mastering,
but i really don't know where to start.
Also i need to know if the "vibe" and feeling ist "anthem-like".

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Postby nerz » 17 Aug 2017, 20:18

@AbstractReality

the mixdown sounds good so far, as i can hear. it has that anthemic vibe altho the melody sounds a bit dull for me. it could use some extra variation. also, are the notes okay in the second climax? it's as if there are some dissonant notes in there. maybe it's just me. the kick has sufficient power, so all in all, decent track.

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Postby Subjective » 20 Aug 2017, 20:26

@AbstractReality
Nice feeling you created there! The melody you created is perfect for a Defqon anthem. the intro part is awesome, the only weird thing (might be me) is that youre creating an orchestral sound which is supposed to fill an entire room but doesn't succeed in doing that. It feels empty, like it got put on the background. Could be what you wanted though ;) Outro is cool, it gets me into a groove which is good.

Furthermore keep going! It's much better then my shit for sure :+

@Nerz
Those vocals are amazing <3 Melody is really clean and well made, lead sound is perfect for it. Intro feels empty in my opinion, maybe add some more sounds, screeches or something else? I hate the kick, not my kind of kick (not that i can make kicks myself lol) but if you think it works go with it!


So I once again tried to complete a song and actually succeeded for once (yay)
It once again teached me how hard making all this music is, it's so much more then just making a cool melody in your piano roll. Furthermore I can't make my own kicks so I used the D-Tunez Da Tweekaz kick.

Feedback is higly apprieciated <3
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Postby asocialresearch » 22 Aug 2017, 11:06

Subjective:
So I once again tried to complete a song and actually succeeded for once (yay)
It once again teached me how hard making all this music is, it's so much more then just making a cool melody in your piano roll. Furthermore I can't make my own kicks so I used the D-Tunez Da Tweekaz kick.




Nice idea. I don't really like the vocals that pitched but thats a matter of taste. The piano with vocals is good but when the actual synth comes in I don't really have a 'wow' feeling, or am impressed. It's a bit flat, could stand out more. When the climax drops, I like the vocals with the delay going round. The kick and bass could stand out more in that part though. Same goes out to the 2nd climax, the kick and bass (especially the 1st kick) don't come out as powerfull as you might want. Nice track none the less! Needs a little work.

I made this 'fun' remix of Money Talks Bullshit Walks recently, just 4 fun. Wonder what you guys think of it:


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Postby xelnadu » 05 Sep 2017, 19:43

@AbstractReality now that's really good sound design! There are a few mixes you could do mix the kick better into the song, but not too much. Overall I like the synth used and the oldschool kick really adds that needed crowd effect. Good job and good luck with it !

I am gonna leave a preview of a melody i had stuck in my head for some time. The synths used are not polished or mixed down so excuse the amateur sound.

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Postby Neko » 06 Sep 2017, 19:46

@xelnadu
The very last note of the first 4 bars is definitely off (the one thats pitchbended). I like the rhythm and the feel of the melody, but the melody itself doesnt seem to be that logical to me. This may be because its pretty complicated and you're hitting 7th or 9th notes in a fast fashion, which is a bit too much (not chcked it, I just guessed it). Try to maintain the feel of it, with either less notes (so rhythmically), mostly 1st, 3rd or 5th notes (only notes that are in the general key) or especially with repeated notes. It will all make the melody easier. Sometimes less is more.
Kick has a really low amount of subbass, and like youve mentioned, it all doesnt sound mixed down.
If you got an easier melody in your track, you can put more focus on different things.

@nerz
The midintro kick is out of key unfortunately. Thats the reason it doesnt seem to fit in there. Also I miss more effects or cymbals in the midintro, like subjective already said it sounds a bit empty. Midintro hardsound sounds amazing though.
Melody has a really complicated pattern. At first your ear cant really follow the flow that well, but in the maindrop you get used to the rhythm. I'd spend 8 bars more for building up the melody so the ear has more time to understand what it hears. (Just quick thoughts here, maybe the break would be too long then but I dont actually think so).
The Kick has a nice character but is way too much in the background, which is a mixdown issue. Everything else pretty much sounds levelled out, only the mainpart kickdrum is too quiet.
Synth seems to be a bit thin, I'd just use more layer for the synth to be like upfront.
And stylewise, I'd put the volume of the "cheese synth" down in the second maindrop, that synth which is playing long notes above the mainlead. Just a tiny bit. I usually do that for that kind of synth to be subtle. You still want the mainlead to be very present but just wanna add a little detail with that second lead for the seond part not being too repetitive.
Didnt mean to rip your track apart here, its not that bad as my feedback may sound. You got nice ideas and a good idea of how a hardstyle track should sound like. Its mostly detailed work which lies in front of you.

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Postby NRx Hardstyle » 07 Sep 2017, 13:29

@xelnadu: I do like the melo, but it could be better and stronger. The kick is a bit powerless and wierdly pitched. Its not bad, but could use a lot of work.

@Neko: The first kick is a bit muddyish, around 120hz up. The vocals are a bit powerless, I'dd put a compressor and saturator to get that power up. The buildup is amazing, but I feel it could be longer to build up the suspension and really advancing the track. The screech in the main drop lacks a bit of mids IMO. Your mixdown and sound design are really on point tho, really awesome!


Dont know about the vocals and still working on the midintro/outro/everything

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Postby Raw Output » 09 Sep 2017, 22:26

@Neko
The Screetches should be a bit more present, the vocals could be more powerful aswell, it seems the whole focus is on the kicks, the kicks are nice tho, the buildup is great, the idea itself is great, just needs some polishing, otherwise a great track.

@NRx Hardstyle
The kick really lacks any impact or power, the melody is nice, the lead is nice, the buildup and the intro is great, the kick is weak, the vocal fits in the first half, but in the outro it starts to get a bit annoying. With some more work on the kick this could be a pretty good track.

Anyways, here's my first hardstyle track in ~2 years
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Postby KRB-MP » 10 Sep 2017, 15:37

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The whole track sounds very nice, really raw, well to be honest I like it a lot ! Well built, also that kick is awesome, maybe some additional screeches could improve the raw aspect ? Otherwise it's a great one here ;)

Here's my newest track, I tried to make a kind of raw and oldschool track
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Postby xelnadu » 12 Sep 2017, 19:57

@Neko thank you again for your feedback!
The Devils ReaperTestmix2 - really digging the atmosphere. I love this style, sounds epic and soul crushing. The kick is really well designed, and the screeches are hitting the right places. Really good sound design and arrangement. Love the pitched kicks and the vocal breaks.

@NRx Hardstyle thank you for your feedback!
Ex Infinium - Fade - i like the melody, but I think the kick volume is too low. The current attention goes to the melody and the kick is kinda out of focus. The vocal fits the style, but the lyrics are kinda simple. Overall a solid work, but i wish the kick was more in-your-face.

@Raw Output - Physical Force - I love the first raw kick, and the kickrolls at around 1:09, combined with the awesome screech. The break melody is nice, but what comes after doesn't really fit. I think you need a more agressive "clean" kick, something like the kicks Malice/Rooler (Agressive Act) uses. Overall it has a nice atmosphere but the second kick kinda ruins it.

@KRB-MP - Break'em Bones - I love the arrangement. It's the classic mid intro, short noises and hard kick that I love. There are a few things that can be improved: the kick is good but i think you need to eq a bit the mids. and the tok really needs some more punch (eq around 200-500 hz, cut the 30-40 HZ). The melody needs a bit Reverb and maybe some delay (just to fill the space, don't overdo it). The rest, the claps and crashes are just good as they are, you don't need to change those. Overall a really nice tune.

I've been experimenting alot on my started projects, and decided to re-make one song I kept posting in here. For now the mid intro is inexistent and unpolished, but I mainly focused on the big climax. I eq-ed everything together and added a Choir over it. Here it is, the final project idea that I will continue on:

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Postby EMi » 14 Sep 2017, 17:37

@xelnadu: the atmosphere in the track is good. melody is kinda hhz old style, i like it. also all the elements in the song are correct, now you have to work in fx, transitions, etc. i would like to hear the full song when its finished :)

ok so i found this melody that i made 3-4 months ago and worked on this song. what do you think guys?
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Postby Fort noxious » 17 Sep 2017, 09:26

@Neko
Lawdylawd!! I reaaaaalllly like this track. Loving the different kicks and the overall drive you have in the mid-intro. Nice soundeffects and stutterish sounds. Not a big fan of the lead melody tho… Also the ‘devils reaper’ voice sounds nice and clear, but the other sentence is barely audible. Overall very nice bro!

@Nrx hardstyle
Nice play with the vocals! It’s a real shame that you kick lacks power in my opinion… That really takes the drive out of your track. The melody and vocals are really good and sounds professional! Maybe the lead could have some different notes in it on the second chorus?

@raw output
Doesn’t sound all that bad but it gets a little repetitive after a while… Also I think your build-up and transitions could use some more work. I like the intro to the lead with the extra soundeffects on the chords. Not a big fan of the second kick you’ve got there but there will probably be a lot of people who like that kinda style. I like the melody in your lead! Overall good stuff, but also definelty needs some tweaks.
@KRB-MP
This ones not for me… Not liking the kick and its to simple for me overall.
@X’el nadu
Def nice and dirty kick. The track gets realllllly boring after a while for me…. I don’t like the melody with that kick, overall its not my cup of tea…

@EMI
I like the kicks and the mid-intro a lot! Not a big fan of the lead melody and the synth you used there. It is overall a really nice and driving track!

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Postby EMi » 18 Sep 2017, 13:42

@Fort noxius very nice track! driving intro, nice kicks but i would use a harder kick on the 3rd drop and maybe a drop with the melody wich is so good too! :D

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