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ceero wrote:And who says you cant do things with passion on a bigger label? Label talking to your production is shitty indeed, but its just a little sacrifice in exchange of what oportunities you can get. Think about where that can get you. Isnt it better to play for a big crowd at some summer festival than from your bedroom for a radio with 25 listeners?
and why excited for signing? 1. the best marketing you can get in the scene, the label is superfamous and you can get support from the biggest artists, 2. bookings, labels (especially Scantraxx) are closely tied to booking agencies

No, this only has to do with becoming famous. And no I don't want to play for a big crowd, if I had to adjust my music for that. I will never ever adjust my music for anything (apart from improvement in quality). If that leaves me with 25 listeners, fine. People should become a producer because they want to express their creativity, because that's what music is about. Not about becoming famous and making money. Ofcourse it is nice if more people listen to your music, but you shouldn't adjust the music in order to get more listeners. Because music is always the most important thing and therefore can't be compromised. Stay pure.

Absence wrote:

ceero wrote:And who says you cant do things with passion on a bigger label? Label talking to your production is shitty indeed, but its just a little sacrifice in exchange of what oportunities you can get. Think about where that can get you. Isnt it better to play for a big crowd at some summer festival than from your bedroom for a radio with 25 listeners?
and why excited for signing? 1. the best marketing you can get in the scene, the label is superfamous and you can get support from the biggest artists, 2. bookings, labels (especially Scantraxx) are closely tied to booking agencies

No, this only has to do with becoming famous. And no I don't want to play for a big crowd, if I had to adjust my music for that. I will never ever adjust my music for anything (apart from improvement in quality). If that leaves me with 25 listeners, fine. People should become a producer because they want to express their creativity, because that's what music is about. Not about becoming famous and making money. Ofcourse it is nice if more people listen to your music, but you shouldn't adjust the music in order to get more listeners. Because music is always the most important thing and therefore can't be compromised. Stay pure.

Let's see how long you can take that up, people want you to change stuff, even the 25 listeners will eventually ask different things from you. It will happen sooner or later.

Do you know what creativity means? It certainly does not mean doing the same over and over again.

Absence wrote:Do you know what creativity means? It certainly does not mean doing the same over and over again.

So you like to only make 25 people happy?, If I were a dj/producer I would like to spread my music as far as I can to make even more people happy

Would you change your music, even if it is just a little bit, to become more popular?
Or in other words, do you think fame is more important than the music?

And I like making music, expressing my creativity and telling a story through the music. I'm not making music so 25 people will listen to it, nor do I make music so thousands will listen to it.

Absence wrote:

ceero wrote:And who says you cant do things with passion on a bigger label? Label talking to your production is shitty indeed, but its just a little sacrifice in exchange of what oportunities you can get. Think about where that can get you. Isnt it better to play for a big crowd at some summer festival than from your bedroom for a radio with 25 listeners?
and why excited for signing? 1. the best marketing you can get in the scene, the label is superfamous and you can get support from the biggest artists, 2. bookings, labels (especially Scantraxx) are closely tied to booking agencies

No, this only has to do with becoming famous. And no I don't want to play for a big crowd, if I had to adjust my music for that. I will never ever adjust my music for anything (apart from improvement in quality). If that leaves me with 25 listeners, fine. People should become a producer because they want to express their creativity, because that's what music is about. Not about becoming famous and making money. Ofcourse it is nice if more people listen to your music, but you shouldn't adjust the music in order to get more listeners. Because music is always the most important thing and therefore can't be compromised. Stay pure.

so you mean, if you produce for creativity and express yourself, you're not supposed to get a bigger audience?
i thought music also was made to make people listen & enjoy it and get inspired by it, not just for expressing yourself.
i am a person who don't really need to express myself or my creativity through music, but my dream is to become a good producer, who are known for bringing music people can enjoy at parties or at home. but still i don't want to become as known as dm5 or skrillex, just in the hardstyle scene is enough. i say, produce music for what purpose you want, if you want money, go ahead, but you will probably not get that much real fans, just kids listen to your music because it's mainstream.

No I say the amount of fans you get is a result of what you do, and should not become a goal as a producer. Because as soon as you care about popularity etcetera it will affect your creative process and put you back into safe boundaries. Imagine how diverse and creative the music would be, if people did not care about fame at all.

Absence wrote:No I say the amount of fans you get is a result of what you do, and should not become a goal as a producer. Because as soon as you care about popularity etcetera it will affect your creative process and put you back into safe boundaries. Imagine how diverse and creative the music would be, if people did not care about fame at all.

That's just idealism. I will ask you again when Zany knocks on your door

Then what? Because a big producer knocks on the door, I suddenly start caring about becoming famous? Yeah right. It's indeed idealism nowadays, almost everyone seems to care about becoming famous.

D-Mind wrote:

Absence wrote:I prefer smaller labels

Everybody makes their own descision. And Adrenalize chose to join Scantraxx and didn't immediately wanted to jeaporadize his position by going in argument with them, nothing strange about that. Massive respect for this talented youngster!

x2 an upper for that!

Absence wrote:No I say the amount of fans you get is a result of what you do, and should not become a goal as a producer. Because as soon as you care about popularity etcetera it will affect your creative process and put you back into safe boundaries. Imagine how diverse and creative the music would be, if people did not care about fame at all.

It's a beautiful theory you got there, and it's right.. Of course music should be pure, and not be adjusted for any reason..

But you clearly do not understand how the real world is, and for a 15 year old boy, some vocals wouldn't matter at all.. It would be complete stupid to not catch the chance when you get it? And especially since it might be his dream whose about to come true?

The real world is still based on your own decisions. What you are talking about is the chance to get famous. Because Scantraxx did not offer the chance to release that track without the vocals, doesn't mean there isn't any label willing to release those tracks. The reason why Scantraxx wants vocals in that track, is just because of commercial reasons, there is no musical thought behind that. But again, it is a bit harsh to blame a 15 year old guy.

And next time you get feedback from your release, just show them how the people here (and also at hardtraxx) agree with your musical choices. Maybe that will change their mind, but most likely they will only care about the masses, showing how little they care about the musical aspect.

If Scantraxx (Officially the best hardstyle label out there),told you "We can't release this without vocals..." you guys are telling me that you'd say "no, fuck you then!!1?"
LOL

Great release Adrenalize Congratz!

D-Mind wrote:

Absence wrote:I prefer smaller labels

Everybody makes their own descision. And Adrenalize chose to join Scantraxx and didn't immediately wanted to jeaporadize his position by going in argument with them, nothing strange about that. Massive respect for this talented youngster!

agree

from a business point of view, its rather wise to release this with vocal, wether you like it or not
music is the number one importance of a true producer, but as an artist you have to make connections, otherwise you won't get further into the scene, and that is crucial.
if adrenalize would've declined this offer, he'd basicly be writing his own deadwish out of pride for just 1 track

it's all so much easier to say things when you're not the artist yourself...