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Postby Mentalizer » 17 Jul 2010, 18:29

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this entire topic is dedicated to the sacred craft of kickmaking

and for fucking fucks shit sake guys.
please, OH MY GOD PLEASE, try to use this topic as much as possible
i'm proably busy merging fucking over 9000 kick topics every month, so please,

PRETTY PLEASE (with sugar on top) use this fucking topic for everything kick-realted that is NOT:
    -"hey guyzzzz i maed a new kikkkk <3" (we have a topic for that aswell!)
    -mixdown problems (i.e. kick + lead clash at certain frequencies etc)
    -vst problems

i hate to repeat myself over and over and over again
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Hey guys i search for a deep and hard hardstyle kick, like the kicks from frontliner in discorecord

please tell me, how i make a kick like this :D
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Postby malicious_kode » 18 Jul 2010, 03:51

I'm not much at making kicks, but it sounds like a normal 'dong' kick (with a bit less dong than usual) with the bass layer sitting closer to the front of the mix (being more prominent) and the 'thud' placed further back. And of course there is a tok placed atop like a cherry.
I've always kinda had this idea that regardless of how many layers you use, the end result should appear as though it's a single, complete sound, not a combination of several played together. I got nothing against Frontliner or anything, but it sounds like a tok + bass, rather than a drum element with varying pitch.

If you can make something similar to the bass elements, the rest would be straightforward. As for how you would do that though, you'd need to ask someone with more skills than I.
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Postby MKN » 18 Jul 2010, 04:28

microtonic ;)
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Postby Caine » 18 Jul 2010, 04:43

smash fuck out of ure desk and record it :D :rofl:

sorry that wasnt much help lmao, i have actually funnily enough, done that o_O :rofl:

but honestly, for a nice sounding kick you should look it up on youtube
a guy called 'Yhimself' done a pretty nice tut on how to do a kick!
look it up and watch it, im sure there is also more, some of them are a complete waste of time by folk that dont have a clue what there doing though. Once i watched one and someone sampled a headhunterz kick and just distorted it and pitched the hell out of it and made it sound AWFUL! o_O

btw that was thanks to Stuart C that i got that 'Yhimself' Tut :D :P
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Postby Mentalizer » 18 Jul 2010, 18:47

thank you for this information ;D
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Postby Subject Zero » 18 Jul 2010, 20:42

Zidor Project:smash fuck out of ure desk and record it :D :rofl:

sorry that wasnt much help lmao, i have actually funnily enough, done that o_O :rofl:

but honestly, for a nice sounding kick you should look it up on youtube
a guy called 'Yhimself' done a pretty nice tut on how to do a kick!
look it up and watch it, im sure there is also more, some of them are a complete waste of time by folk that dont have a clue what there doing though. Once i watched one and someone sampled a headhunterz kick and just distorted it and pitched the hell out of it and made it sound AWFUL! o_O

btw that was thanks to Stuart C that i got that 'Yhimself' Tut :D :P

:P, there are quite a few useful tutorials on youtube, just have to look around for them
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Postby vapouRx7 » 12 Aug 2010, 15:22

I remember guys like dStylerz saying like: "Just fart in the mic man, record that and process it". Nowadays, they really do sound like farts. The key is layering, as Malicious Kode said before:

malicious_kode:It sounds like a normal 'dong' kick (with a bit less dong than usual) with the bass layer sitting closer to the front of the mix (being more prominent) and the 'thud' placed further back. And of course there is a tok placed atop like a cherry.


You can try with various punches straight out of Junglist (some presets, like Deep Kick & stuff), take Sylenth1, make a saw-squarish lead, lower it to the C3-C4 range, dist that, put a little attack on it so it doesn't come with the punch instantly. Then add some low subbass, any VST will do, you can also filter it with the Camelphat preset 'Just Subs', and now in your mixer channel (if you use fruityloops), route all FX to a new FX channel, put a multiband compressor on it. Don't forget to EQ every step before you continue, so u get most 'control' of your kick.

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Postby Username96 » 17 Aug 2010, 12:18

try with utonic as dist bass with omhicide and camelphat at low volume
the kick try to layer 2 kick 1° compress and distort it with camel phat and 2° a easy hardstyle kick with a eq
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Postby FonsMans » 20 Aug 2010, 18:24

http://www30.zippyshare.com/v/10853416/file.html, ive made a quick remake. you have to make a square/sine bass, and then make a simple TOK if you know what i mean, ive made that with sylenth1 en a clap
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Postby Kid Krime » 17 Nov 2010, 22:50

I spoke with Frontliner last saturday. I asked him how he created his kicks. His answer: just do it.
I reacted: so you take a hammer and a piece of metal and smash it?
He: Yeah, and then I squeze my Parrot, give a kick to my microphone and you got a nice kick.

Well, you should try that :P.

Serious, he really said that (H)
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Postby Piro » 18 Nov 2010, 12:26

Med-X:I spoke with Frontliner last saturday. I asked him how he created his kicks. His answer: just do it.
I reacted: so you take a hammer and a piece of metal and smash it?
He: Yeah, and then I squeze my Parrot, give a kick to my microphone and you got a nice kick.

Well, you should try that :P.

Serious, he really said that (H)


if you see him can you ask him if Parrot is a must have for kicks?
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Postby jobro » 23 Nov 2010, 07:08

Getting a phatt deep kick ain't that hard.

First the instrument choice. Microtonic is a good first pick, but my advice is to get as many different plugins as you can since they all differ soundwise. Drumaxx, Attack, Drumatic3 is all good plugins for the kicks.

Now for the mastering. I'm simply using IL's Maximus VST effect as a bottom, since it gives a very hard compressor that suits hard kicks very very well. On top of it I use the Warbeats kick drum enhancer, a hiphop VST effect that really gets the extra oomph out of the kicks.

The last step is that I use Warbeats level manager to keep the volume down to prevent clipping.

The following example is using this method to master the kick and the bass. For this example, and to speed up things too, I used a few reFX Nexus with the following presets:

DR Hardstyle kicks 4 (Dance drums expansion)
BA Sweepbass 4 (Hardstyle expansion)

http://www.speedyshare.com/files/253340 ... stered.mp3
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Postby Arboza » 25 Nov 2010, 03:29

Microtonic is a good option if you dont have a lot of experience in creating kicks, but i would suggest a synthesizer plugin (or even better: hardware like the access virus etc). You have more tweaking options and i personally think it sounds better and phatter.
The downside is that it's harder to create a kick with a synthesizer plugin than with Microtonic etc.
I'm sure there are some tutorials on the internet of how to create a cool kick with a synth... ;)
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Postby xinap » 30 Nov 2010, 11:53

Arboza:Microtonic is a good option if you dont have a lot of experience in creating kicks, but i would suggest a synthesizer plugin (or even better: hardware like the access virus etc). You have more tweaking options and i personally think it sounds better and phatter.
The downside is that it's harder to create a kick with a synthesizer plugin than with Microtonic etc.
I'm sure there are some tutorials on the internet of how to create a cool kick with a synth... ;)


Not totally agree with you here. As Microtonic is a FM synth you can get a really serious bass/kick. after that you can fix this with some fx*coughBPfiltercough*.

Use the plugin you find most attracting.

If you want to know how to create a kick first try some basslines and watch some tuts from pro's like Kamui ( yes he is a hardtrance producer) But his tuts are awesome and very usefull for hardstyle 2
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Postby Subject Zero » 18 Jan 2011, 17:54

Ok so im sure ive seen a few posts about how people pitch their kicks before but i decided to make a topic

Basically i know most people make their kicks, then sample it and pitch it from there. Usually i dont do this, as i like how my distorted kicks pitch from Sylenth1. But right now i have to make a track for college and ive decided to remake a track, and im trying to make a standard "boing" kick, you know, the sound when it pitches up. Im using FL Studio right now and when i load a sample in the sampler and pitch it, it sounds fucking horrible (loses all its power aswell)

So basically is there any other samplers i should look at? Since the FL sampler is very basic, or is there plugins that can help with pitching?
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