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Postby ceero » 10 Aug 2017, 20:32

The thing is that i know all those guys, i still keep on checking out almost every new release out there in hopes of finding hidden gems but i just keep on getting dissapointed. I honestly couldnt tell the difference between most of those artists tunes even if you pulled a gun at me. I do love Josh and Wesz, Faizar and Andy SVGE tho, but i consider those to be one of those 'classic' oldskool artists i mentioned in the previous post
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Postby Emre » 10 Aug 2017, 20:41

Well I just think euphoric isn't your kinda thing anymore then, rather than there being no innovation. I can still spot the difference between any of these artists, of course it's all melodic and uplifting, but a Solstice melody for ex. is extremely different than a NSCLT melody, just like a Rebourne vs. a Sephyx melody. All artists have an 'own sound', even if it's very subtle. It's not any different than raw imo. Not directed at you - but saying 'all euphoric sounds the same, it's all glide melodies, it's all singalong' is the same simple behavioral thing as saying 'all raw sounds the same, it's all kickrolls & screeches' while if you really dive into it, you start hearing a lot of differences. I just think you don't like euphoric anymore so it all sounds quite flat to you because even if the stuff sounds different, it still doesn't appeal to your tastes and does not give you the feeling you hoped for.
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Postby bassfaceBAM » 11 Aug 2017, 01:06

I was like,

"so agree with Ceero"

Then Emre countered with a left jab and I'm like,

"oh aye get what he's saying too"

And then Ceero hits back and I'm going,

"aye man totally"

Then Emre knocks you out Ceero.
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Postby bassfaceBAM » 11 Aug 2017, 01:11

But seriously, Fuckin quality bit of reading there. I'm definitely a Raw head but do love a lot of Euphoric it's just needs to be super good cos I'm waay more picky with it. I think it lies in the synths just as much as the melodies. I just cringe at so much of it tho especially the Atmospherez style synths. I think euphoric producer djs should look to John O'Callaghan's Live from Transmission set for inspiration. Raw is deciding to go all Psy trance on us so Euphoric should go all real trance on us too. Imagine a proper quality remix of John O'Callaghan's Two Trees from like Andy SVGE? Think I'd spunk all over the camp
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Postby Emre » 11 Aug 2017, 01:31

bassfaceBAM:I was like,

"so agree with Ceero"

Then Emre countered with a left jab and I'm like,

"oh aye get what he's saying too"

And then Ceero hits back and I'm going,

"aye man totally"

Then Emre knocks you out Ceero.


I'm so happy with discussions like these tho, should happen more. Nobody is forced to agree with someone but friendly and intelligent discussions and people thinking the way they do firmly, but open for other's words = win. :lol:
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Postby ceero » 11 Aug 2017, 01:41

Emre:Well I just think euphoric isn't your kinda thing anymore then, rather than there being no innovation. I can still spot the difference between any of these artists, of course it's all melodic and uplifting, but a Solstice melody for ex. is extremely different than a NSCLT melody, just like a Rebourne vs. a Sephyx melody. All artists have an 'own sound', even if it's very subtle. It's not any different than raw imo. Not directed at you - but saying 'all euphoric sounds the same, it's all glide melodies, it's all singalong' is the same simple behavioral thing as saying 'all raw sounds the same, it's all kickrolls & screeches' while if you really dive into it, you start hearing a lot of differences. I just think you don't like euphoric anymore so it all sounds quite flat to you because even if the stuff sounds different, it still doesn't appeal to your tastes and does not give you the feeling you hoped for.

The thing is that it still very much is my kind of thing! I think if i was to do a top 10 of this year so far, 6-7 tracks would be euphoric. Its just that its only the 'classic' oldskoolish, well established (call it what u want) producers like NC, DBSTF, Brennan and so on that can catch my attention these days. And when they do, they do it big fucking time, a proper euphoric tune like Angels and Demons or Bad Habits is just something that not evrn the best of the best raw tune will ever be. I do love all kinds of hardstyle, raw, euphoric, oldskool, nustyle, but i just cant get myself to like this new generation of euphoric producers. Not so long ago euphoric hardstyle when it was not called euphoric hardstyle just covered an entire spectrum and variety of musical ideas. You had spooky tracks, you had dark tracks (yeah, euphoric hardstyle very much can ne dark without going raw!), you had goofy tracks, you had melancholic and moody tracks, you had intentionally cheesy tracks, you had hard hitting tracks. And thats what i always loved about it! Nowadays euphoric soinds all the same to me not because there is zero distinction between the producers, but because everyone just keeps on making tracks with pretty much the same feel, within the same kind of melodic positions, trying to appeal the same 1-2 melodic positions over and over again, that colorfulness and variety i just wrote about is barely existing anymore imo. Listen to the first melody in Bad Habits, than listen to Melody of the Blade melo and Geck-o's Sweet Sweet Love melo. That is what i am talking about! I dont care about people who are technically skilled in production if all of them make tracks that i already knoe what they sound like even witbout listening to them.

This is the kind of reason why i barely listen to uplifting trance anymore, while it is a genre ive used to listen since i was like 12. I just miss the variety and excitement in nee tracks and i dont feel that the artists are doing enough to push the boundaries of the genre.
And im not saying that i am right and you are wrong becauae as with everything music related, it comes down to personal taste :)
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Postby Emre » 11 Aug 2017, 01:48

Hmmm. Difficult case then, I keep interested in euphoric because I return to certain artists caused by the most miniscule details so I'll always find something to enjoy even if I forced myself not to. I'm able to get extremely hyped by the slightest note change, 1 word in a vocalist sentence being sang differently than the rest, etc. I can't get bored for some reason. Sometimes I actually hope i'm not 'overworking' my brain with it and burnout from hardstyle, but I don't rly see that as possible.

For ex. this, check from 3:47, get used to the rhythm, then at 3:58/3:59 he extends those notes/glues them together to one whole, idk how to describe it. I get hyped by everything :rofl:



Maybe my standards are too low, idk. But well, that's how I keep interested :p



He did the same kinda thing here, at 2:12/2:13 and 2:44 and 2:50 for example. Those details can keep me interested in 1 artists by only doing those small different things :rofl:
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Postby VOL-E » 11 Aug 2017, 01:50

lol ceero, I'm feeling like an old dinosaur beside you agreeing to this :+ But I think I explain my taste more aggresive way :rofl:
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Postby Emre » 11 Aug 2017, 02:09

Oh btw ceero, I agree with this

trying to appeal the same 1-2 melodic positions over and over again


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if all of them make tracks that i already knoe what they sound like even witbout listening to them.


But I think that's the result of having an own sound. You know how the core of the track is going to sound like, because Wildstylez has typical Wildstylez things and BH has typical BH things in tracks. I think it's important for artists to experiment, but it's also important to stay recognizable. If fans love the typical WSZ sound, and he made a 4-tracker EP with 4 completely different and diverse tracks, the 'sound they associate Wildstylez with' might not be there for 2 out of 4 tracks for example, and they will be less interested in the next release. Signature sounds are important. But yes, a little more diversity might not be bad at all indeed!
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Postby Xense » 11 Aug 2017, 19:04

Well, to come back to the question. The music is just evolving man, as every genre, it's just super natural. Producers don't really think in advance what's gonna happen, they just follow the evolution of the music.

You guys should check my last track btw :D

--> https://youtu.be/UAg5o0EdSQI

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Postby Alex149 » 11 Aug 2017, 19:19

Xense:Well, to come back to the question. The music is just evolving man, as every genre, it's just super natural. Producers don't really think in advance what's gonna happen, they just follow the evolution of the music.

You guys should check my last track btw :D

--> https://youtu.be/UAg5o0EdSQI

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Postby ThePrincipal » 12 Aug 2017, 01:13

Ceero, just to touch on your "i'm over uplifting trance" point - I feel like that some times too despite loving it so much.

That's why you go to deep house and smooth Anjunadeep kind of stuff :)
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Postby Reverse Ghost » 13 Aug 2017, 07:54

I agree full stop with ceero's point. Everything now is just too safe, far too few innovators and too many people riding with the flow. Maybe in another year or two the scene will undergo another radical change like from early to nustyle or nustyle to the early division of raw and euphoric.

Also what changed for me is the mixing. Besides the fact that many tracks now are made with barely any mixable intro or even a mid-intro, it's too fleeting. You jump or dance for like 20 seconds, then another break and a few seconds of movement, then another break, more movement, break, and so on. It loses energy that way, I never enjoyed going to Hardstyle shows because of that (except for seeing Audiofreq and Tuneboy in New York).
Even with early sets, the mixing just doesn't sound the same anymore.

Now this is how you mix early, or just mix in general.
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