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Thoughts about Rawstyle in the upcoming MOH event?

  

Postby dajazza » 28 Jan 2014, 11:08

I think its a spit in the face to the hardcore lovers. Why not include a crossbreed stage instead? Discuss.
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Postby Digital Shifter » 28 Jan 2014, 11:43

Why is it a spit in the face? It's still very raw music. I think it's good that MOH make their party's bigger. More people, more music, more choice.

Only some people take it to serious. Damn ;)
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Postby RossMcleod » 28 Jan 2014, 11:50

I get the feeling that a lot of the people (I'm not saying you, Dajazza) who are complaining about the stage don't actually realise what kind of tracks are going to be played by the majority of those DJ's. I keep seeing comments like "Hardstyle is cheesy shit", but it's not like RR, Warface and Moridon are going to be dropping sing along summery anthems.
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Postby Digital Shifter » 28 Jan 2014, 12:03

Indeed, i think wildstylez and stuff won't be there. Just Theracords or Radical Redemption or you name it. :+
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Postby SCH » 28 Jan 2014, 12:22

Who gives a shit?
I'm grumpier than you.

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Postby doomahx » 28 Jan 2014, 12:59

Stop complaining. In the US we would kill for a part of even half that magnitude.

All we get here in nyc is a few hardstyle DJ's and maybe an Industrial Strength party or Rob Gee when we are lucky, only because Rob Gee and Lenny Dee are from NYC.
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Postby Faber93 » 28 Jan 2014, 13:22

What's the problem? There are 5 other areas with Different kind of hardcore, If you don't like Raw, just don't enter in the Raw stage, it's simple. Then I think that the choice of put this stage can take more people at the event (more people >more money). Btw, like other people said we aren't speaks about Headhunterz or Wildstylez at MOH
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Postby Vicious » 28 Jan 2014, 13:26

My mate who is a hc nut said it must be the "chillout area". :p
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Postby Tamme » 28 Jan 2014, 13:29

Cant see the problem. I'm there for the hardcore acts, so i just don't go in to the hardstyle area. Except when Radical and Adaro are on. Got to see them :)
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Postby tha rippah » 28 Jan 2014, 15:07

I read all the Facebook shitstorm, but decided not to comment, since it's mostly a mess there. A big part of the "gabbers" don't seem to be hardcore enough to accept other styles on their parties...especially not hardstyle. Pretty embarassing imho. As long as hardcore parties have existed, there used to always be chill-out/mellow/happy hardcore etc. areas. But no, 1 area out of 6 (!) with a pretty hard style represented isn't acceptable :? If they started complaining anyway, why not complain about fe. the industrial area only having a few industrial acts?

This is not against the writer of the first post btw. You made your point clear in a decent way. I respect that. :) But funny you mention crossbreed. Imo it has as much common with regular hardcore as rawstyle. Both have many elements of hardcore, but still being their own (hybrid) genres.
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Postby NEKA » 28 Jan 2014, 16:01

Most of these "gabbers" you mention are these over-excited persons why tattoo MOH logo on their chest after listening one year to "ANGERFIST THE BEST FUCKING HARDCORE THERE IS" and that's the only true music to them.

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IMO if most of the rawstyle acts are aliases for hardcore artists then yeah, it's a lot more fun for artists to play! They get diversity too :)
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Postby dajazza » 28 Jan 2014, 16:32

Yes, I like my hardstyle, but MOH has been around for almost 20 years. They rose from the ashes of the underground, a time when hardcore/gabber was declining in Holland. in the late 90s. They helped the hardcore resurrection in the early 00's. And for them to put a hardstyle stage... is just a spit in the face to the real gabbers and hardcore junkies. Yes, Dominator has had a hardstyle stage for a while, but looking back, Dominator was created with Q-Dance, Thunderdome and MOH combined, and they've had a a hard house/hardstyle stage (Houseqlassics) from the very beginning.

You could argue that Thunderdome back in the 90s had happy hardcore playing, but we're up the point in time where hardstyle is not just a mere 'sub-genre' of hardcore, its a completely different genre altogether. There is enough events that specialise in hardstyle already - Decibel, Defqon, Rauw op je dak etc etc.

I thought MOH would've taken over the mantle that Thunderdome left and by staying true to they're statement - WE ARE HARDCORE. I guess money took the better of MOH and Art of Dance.

Call me conservative, or a whinger, whatever, but its a matter of principle. Hardstyle DOES NOT belong in a hardcore only event. Period.
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Postby Tamme » 28 Jan 2014, 17:01

dajazza:Hardstyle DOES NOT belong in a hardcore only event. Period.

Yeah, but its not only hardcore anymore.. The event has grown and they decided to get raw hardstyle involved. From my point of view it can't be a bad thing.
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Postby Digital Shifter » 28 Jan 2014, 17:40

When you say that hardstyle isn't welcome because you are so hardcore. Then YOU my friend, are a racist.
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Postby AudaSpexx » 28 Jan 2014, 19:15

I have mixed opinions about it.

I mean, if it is a hardstyle-event, a hc-act at the end is very nice.

To my understandings, there will be a separate place for the hs-acts. In that case, I think it could be nice! Could be a nice thing especially for the newcomers, so they can slow it down a bit if it gets too much of the good stuff :naughty: huehue, sort of like a "cooldown"-area, or a warmup for that matter.

If they mix hardstyle-acts and hardcore-acts at the same place, it's a big no no! Imagine a hs-event where they mix up the warm-up with the main thing. For example: hs, hs, tek, hs, hs, hc

Deztination here in Sweden did just that (hs, tek, hs, hs, hs, hc). Kinda ruined it a bit by putting Stana after a hs-act.

So better keep things separated there. And that's exactly what MOH will do, right? Main area for hardcore, another area for hardstyle.

I have nothing against that.
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