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Postby Dutchboyuk » 02 May 2013, 13:06

First of all this is not another "hai guys i want to start DJing, i just bought [insert shitty controller here] and plugged it in but its not making mixing lawl how do i do it?! do i need speakers?!" thread. I've been mixing vinyl for 6 years so yeah... I get it, i'm not asking how you mix hardstyle in particular.

I been into hardcore/crossbreed/breakcore etc for a few years, but only really got interested in hardstyle in the past twelve months or so, and i really enjoy listening to it (almost in a different way to hardcore ... i find hardstyle good for listening but I don't know if i'd want to rave to it), but as I got more and more tracks and live sets I started to notice that there is a complete lack of any mixing... pretty much in every set i've heard. Just straight cuts into every track, always into a break aswell. What is the deal? Do hardstyle artists even use turntables anymore or has it completely switched to "live" (deliberate quotes) acts? I do get one aspect of it, after trying to double drop hardstyle i discovered that it'll almost never work (especially with pitched kicks, shit that sounded awful), but the whole cutting into a really long break thing as well... Don't you hardstylers get pissed off if you're at an event, track drops, this is amaaaziiing! for 16 bars then it cuts to some 3 minute long build up, drops again yay! oh wait we're back in some long ass break now...

To sum up, why dont they mix?

edit: didn't mean to seem like such a prick in the first para hahaha.... but seriously some of the questions that come up here are shocking, if the people posting them spent a few minutes logically thinking about it instead of writing a post, they'd probably figure it out, e.g. "do i need headphones AND speakers?" shiiiit..
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Postby Dj_Mazzanotti » 02 May 2013, 13:30

Yeah well the break thing is pretty annoying for the crowd (at least in the parties i've played), specially today with the sing-a-long breaks...

I always try to use some tracks without long breaks in the beginning of my sets, mainly with reverse bass and much power... Then, if u do it well, you can drop a couple of bootlegs to catch the public and at the end, you can play whatever u want... They will be liking your set and dancing everything u play. At least it's the way how i need to do it in my country, where most of the hard crowd it's used to non stop hard techno/schranz and aren't much fans of a long break specially if it has a guy with a gay voice singing about love... :p
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Postby icey » 02 May 2013, 13:48

People have moaned about this since 07 mate
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Postby Dutchboyuk » 02 May 2013, 14:00

I'm not really moaning I just find it interesting. From mixing drum n bass for years, and then gathering vinyl from other genres n shit, while i appreciated the nuances and differences each genre has when mixing, i found that most did share these core concepts... Then i started listening to hardstyle
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Postby nuttyt » 02 May 2013, 14:43

Whenever I produce I always leave a good intro etc for mixing usually start a break around 1:25 or 1:50 or something so dj's can have a proper play about, I hate it when a tune has 1min intro/outro.
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Postby Majestikx » 10 May 2013, 20:51

kind of agree with you..
its just another way of mixing i suppose?
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Postby Shadow Interaction » 11 May 2013, 10:40

theres a few producers that still do long intros, like Atmozfears or Phrantic :) they dont stop at just 1 minute, but go straight to the mixintro/mid part

but yea i get your point... and its also been like icey said
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Postby ceero » 11 May 2013, 14:32

Its simply because the way its produced. There is pretty much no room left for creative mixing, all you can do is mix in and mix out the intro with outro. There is no way the new hardstyle could be mixed like techno or dnb with two tracks and accapella playing simultaneusly together for three minutes, it would sound fugly as hell. Older hardstyle on the other hand is a whole different story (as pre 2005 hardstyle is pretty much a whole different genre than nowadays hardstyle). Go check out some old mixes from Pavo, Dana, Luna and especially Daniele Mondello (check his qlimax 2003 set) and you will hear some kickass hardstyle mixing :)
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Postby timdawes » 11 May 2013, 14:36

there's actually a lot of djs who don't mix in to the outro of the previous song... but there's also a lot of songs that have ridiculously awesome outros
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Postby QuantomMusic » 11 May 2013, 22:59

icey:People have moaned about this since 07 mate


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If youre looking for hardstyle with minimal drum breaks, look for older / underground stuff.
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Postby Dutchboyuk » 12 May 2013, 00:21

I saw frontliner on sunday and did not enjoy it hahaha
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Postby noaii » 12 May 2013, 04:02

E: Took my example down due to a professional one posted to this topic.
All I wanted to say is, play around until you find something that works. Practice that and add it to your set.
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Postby timdawes » 12 May 2013, 04:33

the thing is, there are good and bad djs. technoboy has always been an intro/outro mixer for example. and ppl like max enforcer IMO have always been a good dj. nothing to do with the songs.
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Postby Reverse Ghost » 12 May 2013, 05:37


He may not be consistent in productions, but Dov's mixing is still there if you want to use him as a modern example. Hell listen to some of his older sets. PM me for his sets at Q-Base 2005, Sensation Black, and Qlimax all of that year and you'll hear some proper Hardstyle mixing, all three of the sets having some nu-style from the time.
In the one I just posted, some of the transitions are pretty good and the one between Summer Of Hardstyle and De Grote Dikke Basplaat sounds like something you're looking for. Skip to 1 hour 7 minutes 40 seconds
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Postby Shadow Interaction » 12 May 2013, 13:35

Reverse Ghost:
He may not be consistent in productions, but Dov's mixing is still there if you want to use him as a modern example. Hell listen to some of his older sets. PM me for his sets at Q-Base 2005, Sensation Black, and Qlimax all of that year and you'll hear some proper Hardstyle mixing, all three of the sets having some nu-style from the time.
In the one I just posted, some of the transitions are pretty good and the one between Summer Of Hardstyle and De Grote Dikke Basplaat sounds like something you're looking for. Skip to 1 hour 7 minutes 40 seconds

The Prophet @ Defqon.1 2009 _O_ one of his best sets ever imo

http://lsdb.nl/set/19506/the-prophet-de ... 06-09.html
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